Shelf Life of Homebrew/Powders

[love_en]

I now have 50 grams of testosterone enanthate sitting in a cool dark place. Does anyone know how long this will remain stable and safe to use if made with 1% BA-20%BB-Grapeseed oil. I know, lots of BB, but I am going to be shooting this stuff into my quads every week for the rest of my life, trying to duplicate the Delatestryl formula because doctors here are too chickenshit to prescribe it. According to my calculations, 50 grams is more than a 5 year supply for me. Is it better to make up 40cc, 250mg and make more when that is gone? Or should I do the whole 50 gram bag? That would be 20 10cc vials. In either case, I will be putting it in 10 cc amber vials. Sorry, I am not accepting any offers to dispose of what I cannot use in one year.

I am still amazed at how cheap this is. I paid more for 2 10 cc vials of QV Enantat which were a little underfilled, maybe underdosed and had way too much BA. So I have to deal with a chemist in China and hoping Customs will not suspect my package has powder in it. After QV went down, I could not imagine getting busted over 3 vials of enanthate, much less 30 amps. Don't want to buy $600 worth of enanthate either, only to find out there is a goddish amount of BA in there, or it is nothing more than soybean oil with BA.

 

[Big_paul]

good question I would like to know how fast it degrades. I have kept powder for a year before and then used it for good results. I also would like to know if it would store better if prepared rather than storing it in powder form.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

You don't need any bb at all when making Test E and you should never use as much as 20% bb when converting any powder because it frequently results in flu like reactions. You will also need to use more than 1% ba unless you are making your gear in an absolutely sterile lab, which 99.99% of people don't have access to. I've made Test E with 3% ba and no bb & it has been virtually painless i.e. only very slight discomfort the day after the shot.
If you like, you can use a little bb, like 6%, but there is no need when making Test E. The first time, only make up a small batch to be sure you don't have any adverse reactions. Go to : http://absinth.greatnow.com/calcpowder2.html to work out how much of each ingredient you need. Making injectable gear is easier than making pancakes. From memory, you need about 2.5g of test e powder to make 1 x 10ml vial of Test E at 250mg/ml.
You might like to ask the chemist you bought the powder from how long it lasts for in a cool, dark place. I think it's 2-3 years. If you make it up with grapeseed oil, I don't think it will last more than a year because grapeseed oil goes rancid quickly. You need to add some grapefruit seed extract to the mix to prevent the oil from going rancid, or use safflower oil, which has a much longer shelf life than grapeseed oil.
I would post this same question in the home lab forum at outlawmuscle.com, since the guys there are pretty knowledgeable about this subject.

 

[love_en]

You don't need any bb at all when making Test E and you should never use as much as 20% bb when converting any powder because it frequently results in flu like reactions. You will also need to use more than 1% ba unless you are making your gear in an absolutely sterile lab, which 99.99% of people don't have access to. I've made Test E with 3% ba and no bb & it has been virtually painless i.e. only very slight discomfort the day after the shot.
If you like, you can use a little bb, like 6%, but there is no need when making Test E. The first time, only make up a small batch to be sure you don't have any adverse reactions. Go to : http://absinth.greatnow.com/calcpowder2.html to work out how much of each ingredient you need. Making injectable gear is easier than making pancakes. From memory, you need about 2.5g of test e powder to make 1 x 10ml vial of Test E at 250mg/ml.
You might like to ask the chemist you bought the powder from how long it lasts for in a cool, dark place. I think it's 2-3 years. If you make it up with grapeseed oil, I don't think it will last more than a year because grapeseed oil goes rancid quickly. You need to add some grapefruit seed extract to the mix to prevent the oil from going rancid, or use safflower oil, which has a much longer shelf life than grapeseed oil.
I would post this same question in the home lab forum at outlawmuscle.com, since the guys there are pretty knowledgeable about this subject.

Thanks for the info. I will probably up the BA to 2-3% and use a more stable base oil. If BB is so toxic, then why does Delatestryl use 20% when formulating? I am one of those that cannot handle high concentrations of BA. The QV I got last year never gave me an infection, but it hurt like hell for 3 days after each shot. Can only speculate that is from lots of BA and little or no BB. One of the reasons for BB is to keep the hormone from crystalizing at the site of the injection. At most, I will be injecting 1 cc per week of a 250 mg/cc formula. I am on TRT, not a cycle. As for sterility, I will be filtering into presealed and sterilized vials with .22 filters. In any case, I do not wish to make up more than I can use in 18 months. Because of what I am using this for, 50 grams is almost 5 years worth. Where I am at, the only cool, dry place is vacuum-packed, then double bagged in my freezer. Thank goodness my bag did not leak on its way from China. Looks like it melted in transit. At least I know it is not testosterone propionate.

 

[ag-guys]

The gear will last for at least 2-3 years

AG-Guys
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[novicebb]

Yes gear will last for about 2-3 years but you should expect some slight degradation even if stored in amber vials and in cool dark place. All pharmacueticals suffer from some degradation over time even if it is only slightly.

That is why ASAP slightly overdose "supplemental" products for this very reason.

 

[love_en]

A good reason not to make all 50 grams of enanthate into injectable at one time. I have reason to believe that powder kept out of contact with heat, light, moisture and oxygen will be more stable than something dissolved in oil and exposed to the elements.

Overdose each vial a little. That is the whole point of doing it myself. If I were to get premade, the only thing I could guarantee is overdosed is the BA. Not fun for me. Feeling like you have been hit across the thigh with a bat gets old. Especially if you will be on for the rest of your life.

 

[novicebb]

Well I understand where you are coming from. Some people are comfortable making there own and some have no problem purchasing from a supplier.
I don't know about laws covering powder but I do know it is easier for the feds to make a case against me as conspiracy to sell steriods with powder than if I have a couple of 10 or 20ml vials on hand.

I think some people will say it is easier to go ahead make your AAS from the 50g bag then to make some here and make some there because you should expect some loss of powder transfer from bag to scale and vials. But I can't blame you for not making all your "supplies" at that one time.

Realize that with enanthate the powder will not be completely in dry powder form but a bit waxy and you will not get completely all 50grams. More like 48-49grams or so.

 

[love_en]

Well I understand where you are coming from. Some people are comfortable making there own and some have no problem purchasing from a supplier.
I don't know about laws covering powder but I do know it is easier for the feds to make a case against me as conspiracy to sell steriods with powder than if I have a couple of 10 or 20ml vials on hand.

I think some people will say it is easier to go ahead make your AAS from the 50g bag then to make some here and make some there because you should expect some loss of powder transfer from bag to scale and vials. But I can't blame you for not making all your "supplies" at that one time.

Realize that with enanthate the powder will not be completely in dry powder form but a bit waxy and you will not get completely all 50grams. More like 48-49grams or so.

Believe me, I thought about everything you mentioned above. Including the part about conspiracy to sell. I would like to receive as few packages of contraband in my lifetime as possible. Vials and ampules in the mail are very obvious. Customs and DEA are looking for those things. I am lucky that my Pregnyl from Greece was not detained last year. It was in a bubble envelope and any moron could tell there were ampules in there. With 30 ampules of enanthate from Eastern Europe or 3 vials , I might as well declare the contents on the outside of the pack. I now have a sense of security. Knowing that I will not have to do this again for a long time. Hopefully by then, the steroid hysteria will die down. It would be quite a hoot if Joseph Biden and John McCain needed to be on TRT, but because of the shit they stirred up, no doctor would help them. The Japanese have a word for that:bachi.

 

[MANWHORE]

I now have 50 grams of testosterone enanthate sitting in a cool dark place. Does anyone know how long this will remain stable and safe to use if made with 1% BA-20%BB-Grapeseed oil. I know, lots of BB, but I am going to be shooting this stuff into my quads every week for the rest of my life, trying to duplicate the Delatestryl formula because doctors here are too chickenshit to prescribe it. According to my calculations, 50 grams is more than a 5 year supply for me. Is it better to make up 40cc, 250mg and make more when that is gone? Or should I do the whole 50 gram bag? That would be 20 10cc vials. In either case, I will be putting it in 10 cc amber vials. Sorry, I am not accepting any offers to dispose of what I cannot use in one year.

I am still amazed at how cheap this is. I paid more for 2 10 cc vials of QV Enantat which were a little underfilled, maybe underdosed and had way too much BA. So I have to deal with a chemist in China and hoping Customs will not suspect my package has powder in it. After QV went down, I could not imagine getting busted over 3 vials of enanthate, much less 30 amps. Don't want to buy $600 worth of enanthate either, only to find out there is a goddish amount of BA in there, or it is nothing more than soybean oil with BA.

20% bb is not too much .. i use 2% BA and 20% BB for all long acting estered powders .. I would brew it all up at once just so it's all in the BA .. BTW up to 5% BA shouldn't be much pain .. I shoot in outer quads with 2% and it is fine ... If your powder supplier is good customes won't stop it ... 50grams of Test E wouldn't last me months not years LOL Nah just kiddin, i don't like test

 

[love_en]

I know you don't care for test. When you die, they might as well cut you in pieces and shoot you into a cow's ear. Manwhore, the walking Fina pellet It is not a good idea to discuss packing here, but my supplier had me worried. It was not hidden in anything. It was just an express mail envelope. But it arrived here 5 days later unopened. Went from China, to LA, to Honolulu. I might have gotten it sooner, if not for Independence Day.

About brewing it all up at once. I have doubts 20 vials will stay stable for the 5 + years it will take me to use it all up. It would seem more stable if the powder is vacuum packed and frozen. Right now it is in a vacuum sealed Mason jar in my freezer. Here in paradise, things spoil if they are left out in the open. So you use 2%BA/20% BB. That is good to know. Stands to reason that it would thin out the gear enough to easily filter through a .22 Whatman. As well as QV served me this past year, I still have to bitch about how much it hurt. Not to mention how thick it was. At least it did not give me an abcess.

 

[Conciliator]

Overdose each vial a little. That is the whole point of doing it myself. If I were to get premade, the only thing I could guarantee is overdosed is the BA. Not fun for me. Feeling like you have been hit across the thigh with a bat gets old. Especially if you will be on for the rest of your life.

No kidding... I got some 10ml vials of test E from a top source. Hurt like hell for a few days after every single shot. It may have just been because it was 300mg/ml, but I'm convinced there was way too much BA in it. As soon as I got some grapeseed oil and cut it the pain completely disappeared.

 

[love_en]

300 mg/ ml and full of BA, guessing you shot a dose of 500-600 mg. Ow. Was this stuff name brand or underground lab? In either case that must have been shitty. You have no idea how much BA is in the vial until 24 hours after injecting yourself. I know I had no idea before shooting in my 250 mg frontload. Then again, I have heard bad things about Andropen 275 and Sustanon or its copies.

 

[Conciliator]

300 mg/ ml and full of BA, guessing you shot a dose of 500-600 mg. Ow. Was this stuff name brand or underground lab? In either case that must have been shitty. You have no idea how much BA is in the vial until 24 hours after injecting yourself. I know I had no idea before shooting in my 250 mg frontload. Then again, I have heard bad things about Andropen 275 and Sustanon or its copies.

Exactly. Things were just fine for a day or so and then BAM, baseball bat to the leg for 3-4 days. There were times when I could hardly walk.

At one point I thought that smaller SQ injects might be better, after reading about guys doing it for TRT. Well, 0.25 ml in 4 locations sat red and inflamed like you wouldn't believe for over 4 weeks. http://www.audiopatrol.com/picsn/Swell1.jpg from one of the spots on my quad. It was only later that I learned how caustic BA is. It was from Swish... an UG.

 

[love_en]

If I am going to be sticking myself with something every week, I would like to know what is in it and how much. That pic is one of the reasons why. SC injections of test only work if the BA content is low. I know something like Delatestryl is 1% BA or less and it is 200mg/ ml of enanthate. I don't plan on making high concentrate gear either.

 

[MANWHORE]

I know you don't care for test. When you die, they might as well cut you in pieces and shoot you into a cow's ear. Manwhore, the walking Fina pellet It is not a good idea to discuss packing here, but my supplier had me worried. It was not hidden in anything. It was just an express mail envelope. But it arrived here 5 days later unopened. Went from China, to LA, to Honolulu. I might have gotten it sooner, if not for Independence Day.

About brewing it all up at once. I have doubts 20 vials will stay stable for the 5 + years it will take me to use it all up. It would seem more stable if the powder is vacuum packed and frozen. Right now it is in a vacuum sealed Mason jar in my freezer. Here in paradise, things spoil if they are left out in the open. So you use 2%BA/20% BB. That is good to know. Stands to reason that it would thin out the gear enough to easily filter through a .22 Whatman. As well as QV served me this past year, I still have to bitch about how much it hurt. Not to mention how thick it was. At least it did not give me an abcess.

No it's not thin enough for a .22 .. .22s are a major pain in the ass unless you are just doing personal use .. It took me about 1hr to filter 40ml through a .22 .. never again will i use anything but .45 .. Alot of homebrew Vets use .45s .. Rare that a staff spore will make itsway through .45 but they can .. no problem i make sure i leave mine sit for a good 7 days to let the BA clean it up .. BA will clean up bacteria even at .5% in about 3 to 7 days .. I've used my gear the next day after brewing it and never a problem .. Shit i gave Untold his Tren without even filtering it .. O comeone now i wouldn't do that .. Millpore also such ass as i will always use Whatman from now on .. Only used Millpore 2X and when purging it leaves way to much air making it cloudy even after days .. BUT yes i would leave it freezer packed i planed on having it for 5 years ..

 

[MANWHORE]

I would never shoot oil base SQ .. Alot of top labs use only .5% BA but 2% won't hurt and makes me feel better .. BTW i shoot or shot most of my gear .. Test E,Bold UNdec,Tren E and Drost E through a 27g pin .. For those brewing for personal use, you may want to look into getting some EO and making very high dose completly painless gear .. Even Test prop can be made 250mg/ml painless or damn close to it