Severe water retention on 12iu GH

[xrayphoton13]

Around 5g taurine spread out over the day plus telmisartan and keeping electrolytes in check, supplementing with mag glycinate is what got rid of my water. Even if I overeat junk on deca/dbol it's like I can't puff myself up anymore

I forgot to mention also keeping e2 in check is huge

 

[benjaminnetenyahu]

Identical daily

are fluids and electrolytes consistent?

 

[benjaminnetenyahu]

Around 5g taurine spread out over the day plus telmisartan and keeping electrolytes in check, supplementing with mag glycinate is what got rid of my water. Even if I overeat junk on deca/dbol it's like I can't puff myself up anymore

I do all those except Taurine. Might be worth checking out. I can’t imagine the water weight sticking on me isn’t somehow related to dbol. That is the only other factor I can think of that I did different from last cycle

 

[benjaminnetenyahu]

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Average can be between 2 to 8weeks after the causation is removed. Longer if it keeps getting stimulated hgh ramps, low sodium, low E2, crash dieting will prolong.

What screws people up is they think Dbol gone, so the problem should be gone. But hormonally, that’s not how it works. Once aldosterone is upregulated kdneys become hypersensitive to sodium retention. Hgh reactivates the pathway instantly. Low sodium / aggressive dieting makes it worse, not better. Low or unstable E2 removes the brake on aldosterone. So the clock doesn’t really start until HGH dose is stable, sodium is consistent, and E2 isn’t suppressed abnormally.


This, ↑↑↑↑ get every kidney marker checked, you'll more than likely have an issue. Not to scare, I've had bad kidney issues, and if you catch it early, you're quite capable of full recovery despite previously known medical research. I almost died for instance taking injectable Sdrol and Tren ignoring the symptoms. Again not a scare, your doing the right thing inquiring, and taking action immediately.

Pick one HGH dose 4 to 6 IU could be ideal from where you are currently. Hold it unchanged for 10 to 14 days. No ramping, no cycling, no pulling it again, then abruptly reintroducing.

Normalize sodium instead of slashing it entirely. This is counterintuitive but critical. Do NOT cut sodium aggressively, keep sodium consistent day to day, cutting sodium spikes aldosterone into rebound edema Most dudes worsen this by cleaning to hard.

This directly antagonizes aldosterone at the kidney. Potassium: 4 to 5 g/day, magnesium 400 to 600 mg/day. This alone can reduce sock edema within days.

Eplerenone or low dose spironolactone used temporarily 7 to 14 days. Unfortunately a prescription and if your going this route the DR is going to pull labs entirely anyway. Eplerenone and spironolactone are aldosterone antagonists. They don’t flush water like a diuretic, they block the signal telling your kidneys to retain sodium and water.

But again man, many times when this occurs kidneys are somewhat compromised. Also avoid the sauna, I didn't know if you use, but it will temporarily remove symptoms, then hit hard again once hydrated again.

Edit: ignore potassium advice, telmisartan, I didn't catch that.

Also disregard HGH rec, as you stated you pulled it completely.

Hey brother. I got all my bloods back. Kidneys are looking really good. Only bad thing was my cholesterol. Liver and kidneys are great.

I’ve been on very aggressive cut for 8 days now and have had HGH pulled 8 days now. My fasted BG has returned and stabilized at 78 the past 4 mornings

I’m going to aggressively cut for one more week. I’m currently down 24lbs. I’m very flat and depleted

Would adding in GH again at 4iu starting tomorrow be a good idea? I want to add it back in asap but also avoid the severe water retention

 

[BALLISTIC]

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Hey brother. I got all my bloods back. Kidneys are looking really good. Only bad thing was my cholesterol. Liver and kidneys are great.

I’ve been on very aggressive cut for 8 days now and have had HGH pulled 8 days now. My fasted BG has returned and stabilized at 78 the past 4 mornings

I’m going to aggressively cut for one more week. I’m currently down 24lbs. I’m very flat and depleted

Would adding in GH again at 4iu starting tomorrow be a good idea? I want to add it back in asap but also avoid the severe water retention

So I'm assuming you cleared up relatively well?

If so, you have a denominator now to look at hard. HGH. Or better you have a way to evaluate causation.

If you are cleared up, then adding in HGH, and observing any potential onset identifies what your problem was. You could also wait one more week as you stated. This won't make it break the deal. But once you incorporate HGH back into your protocol... If anything re-established you will have successfully identified a potential problem.

Only you know exactly what you changed. To establish reasoning, only add back one factor at a time.

 

[benjaminnetenyahu]

So I'm assuming you cleared up relatively well?

If so, you have a denominator now to look at hard. HGH. Or better you have a way to evaluate causation.

If you are cleared up, then adding in HGH, and observing any potential onset identifies what your problem was. You could also wait one more week as you stated. This won't make it break the deal. But once you incorporate HGH back into your protocol... If anything re-established you will have successfully identified a potential problem.

Only you know exactly what you changed. To establish reasoning, only add back one factor at a time.

Cleared up very well yes. The edema in my ankles is only maybe 10% or what it was peak bulk. Dropped some noticeable bodyfat as well just in this past week. Now sitting at 15%~

My fasting BG prior to this mini cut was 100-111. Now 78. Also added back in retatrutide (which actually raises my FBG to 90-100). Does it sound like I’ve successfully reset insulin sensitivity? Is 2 week aggressive cut and 1 week off GH enough to reset it and keep bulking?

I’ve ruled out kidneys as the cause of the edema. I think the cause is my heart. That’s what it’s sounding like according to a lot of the guys that reviewed my cardiac MRI.

I have meds on the way for it

 

[BALLISTIC]

Cleared up very well yes. The edema in my ankles is only maybe 10% or what it was peak bulk. Dropped some noticeable bodyfat as well just in this past week. Now sitting at 15%~

My fasting BG prior to this mini cut was 100-111. Now 78. Also added back in retatrutide (which actually raises my FBG to 90-100). Does it sound like I’ve successfully reset insulin sensitivity? Is 2 week aggressive cut and 1 week off GH enough to reset it and keep bulking?

I’ve ruled out kidneys as the cause of the edema. I think the cause is my heart. That’s what it’s sounding like according to a lot of the guys that reviewed my cardiac MRI.

I have meds on the way for it

If that's the case I would certainly hold off adding back anything. This is a long game my man. Think CHESS not CHECKERS. strategically evaluate what your health is and how important that is to you.

I don't know the status of your cardiac MRI, but good for you getting that taken care of. Keep in mind you only get 1, cherish it bro. Treat your body well.

Nobody here is going to shed a tear for you either way. Not trying to sound like a asshole, hope you understand. If you have a heart condition potentially identified, I would drop everything immediately, and focus on that condition with your physician to ensure a healthy recovery if possible. HGH isn't going to be friendly to your heart if it's compromised in any way.

 

[Len S]

My last cycle I ran 12iu SSA HGH. No issues. Ran test and EQ 1:1 ratio and felt great. I held minimal water.

This cycle I’m running a bit higher doses of test and EQ but still 1:1 ratio. The only difference is I ran dbol as a kickstart as I was ramping up my HGH from 4-12iu coming out of a cut. Dbol bloated me like crazy (inch +2 inches in a week) and I looked like a bag of milk almost instantly with water weight.

It has been well over a month since off shop and every bit of water I had from dbol is still here. Even after temporarily dropping HGH, and doing PSMF for a few days. Dropped 11lbs of water in 2 days. Then slowly ramped the HGH up again and water is all back immediately.

I look like I’m still dbol and I can’t shake this water weight off. When I take off my socks there is massive indents in my leg.

I should also mention, last cycle, I didn’t even have my electrolytes balanced and I ate much higher fat. Diet is even more buttoned up this time

How do I fix this?

I'd be more concerned with water in the lungs and around the heart. Go off everything for 2 months then reevaluate. 12 iu's of GH is extreme as well as extremely dangerous. Are you TRYING to have a heart attack?