Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Well I can tell you for certain that in a city like NYC where you have crowded streets and subways, lockdowns were the only thing that controlled the spread of this virus.
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To force people to go to polling stations would have killed a lot of people.


They were abandoned after about two months after studies showed it was safer than initially feared. Out of 160 I saw die in that period maybe a handful could've been saved if we tried bipap, but that's me guessing based on experience and expertise. You've got to remember this was a new, highly contagious virus spreading through the hospital like wildfire, and the policy came from the infection control department and they had sound reasoning. It's not like a court of law would hold anyone liable in a disaster setting like that. And it's not like everyone is going to quit over a policy some didn't agree with and just let the patients die of respiratory failure without getting any medical help lol! I did have a coworker who caught it at work and I watched him die.
The initial WHO Covid-19 treatment protocols forbid anything other than supplemental oxygen and ventilation. No cortisteroids, no anticoagulation etc. Nothing. If someone wanted to try something, you'd have to formally request approval, and go through a bureaucratic process that was never completed before a patient died. This happened everywhere.

Patients were proactively and precautionarily intubated/vented, prior to low oxygen saturation levels (levels which are inconsequential overall) in anticipation they would get worse. They were then intubated, ventilator settings high-highest, and lungs blasted out. Brutal, but the truth.

The goal was to have high death counts for psychological impact for promotion of the pandemic. When there weren't enough patients to ventilate, then nearly every person who died in a hospital was labeled a Covid-19 death. Nearly everyone in a hospitial at that time tested positive and was labeled an asymptomatic Covid-19 patient. It isn't a secret. You can look at how any government or hospital counts Covid-19 deaths.

A court of law will hold those personnel responsible. We all know that even though those protocols came from the WHO or above, they are so far outside the standard of care........that everyone should have known better and defied those protocols. Order followers are never spared. We have to wait and see what happens. Right now, they are protected. Depending on what happens in the future.......I see each and every one of them treated like those 95 year old concentration camp guards.
 
The initial WHO Covid-19 treatment protocols forbid anything other than supplemental oxygen and ventilation. No cortisteroids, no anticoagulation etc. Nothing. If someone wanted to try something, you'd have to formally request approval, and go through a bureaucratic process that was never completed before a patient died. This happened everywhere.

Patients were proactively and precautionarily intubated/vented, prior to low oxygen saturation levels (levels which are inconsequential overall) in anticipation they would get worse. They were then intubated, ventilator settings high-highest, and lungs blasted out. Brutal, but the truth.

The goal was to have high death counts for psychological impact for promotion of the pandemic. When there weren't enough patients to ventilate, then nearly every person who died in a hospital was labeled a Covid-19 death. Nearly everyone in a hospitial at that time tested positive and was labeled an asymptomatic Covid-19 patient. It isn't a secret. You can look at how any government or hospital counts Covid-19 deaths.

A court of law will hold those personnel responsible. We all know that even though those protocols came from the WHO or above, they are so far outside the standard of care........that everyone should have known better and defied those protocols. Order followers are never spared. We have to wait and see what happens. Right now, they are protected. Depending on what happens in the future.......I see each and every one of them treated like those 95 year old concentration camp guards.
Lol no. You've been reading too many conspiracy websites.

First of all, lungs being blasted out (medical term for that is pneumothorax) never really kills a patient. At least I've never seen it kill a patient. It's technically possible in a ventilated patient with a tension pneumothorax if you don't put a chest tube in within an hour or two but these are highly monitored patients by highly skilled people. You see the blood pressure dropping, the peak pressure alarm going off more on the ventilator, call a stat chest xray, see a pocket of air in the chest, and put in an emergent chest tube. That fixes the problem. This is quite routinely done actually. Prior to a revolutionary study in 2000 called the ARDSnet trial, this happened in most patients actually.

Secondly, the ventilator settings we used were no higher than any other pneumonia/ARDS patients at any other time. We did find a few weeks into it, after putting in a few chest tubes, that covid lungs are stiffer than typical and they get pneumothaces more often, so we switched to Pressure Control mode on most patients rather than the Assist Control mode we usually use. This was a learning process I saw play out in several cities I worked at as the covid wave came to them. They wouldn't listen to me they had to learn for themselves. And people with covid (or any type of pneumonia or ARDS) never actually die of respiratory failure or lungs giving out they die of multi-organ failure from a cytokine storm and cascade of inflammation. The kidneys go, then the gut goes, then they get bad sepsis, electrolytes are off, toxins in the blood... Now a ventilator can add to that inflammation, especially with high volumes and dysynchrony, but the issue is more complex than just that.

Third, there was no strategy to put as many patients on ventilators as possible. We actually ran out of ventilators and the National Guard/FEMA had to bring us more. In fact there was a memo sent to ER doctors at my old hospital NYU Langone that was leaked to the news that said if you don't think a ventilator will help a patient (they will most likely die anyway) it is your call to let a patient die rather than put them on a ventilator.

Lastly, no physician in an intensive care unit calls up the WHO and asks formal approval through a bureaucratic process for anything lol! I mean, if you only knew all the off label drugs and therapies we're throwing at these patients: inhaled nitric oxide, nebulized colistin, mucomyst, pulmozyme, hypertonic saline, proning, etc etc. These are critically ill patients and you have license to do whatever you want because they are dying. The bipap restriction was an infection control issue, nothing more. The average ICU IV pole looks like this:
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I mean, you're sitting here telling me (someone who was there) what happened like you were there and I wasn't just because you read it off some conspiracy website. I can tell you none of that actually happened. I'd probably have to sit down with you for an hour going over how an ICU works and biomechanics of ventilating patients for you to understand there's no way any of it could've possibly happened but I can't do that so you're gonna have to trust me that those conspiracy sites are turning your head to mush.
 
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You should be go write novels or practice law, because you're good at creating fantasy scenarios and spinning webs of lies. Everything you wrote is absolutely not true.
 
Was there a legitimate national security concern for Americans during WWII, or was it did you join for the greater good?
There was a thing called Pearl harbor.

Because despite what you're trying to imply, the "greater good" thing is utter bullshit.

Most Americans of the time did not support the war in Europe. Roosevelt and the democrat party wanted desperately to get America involved in the war, but for the most part they were held in check by massive anti war movements.

Not much different than today. With globalist/nationalist arguments over war in Ukraine.

Rich globalist elites and consumers of their propoganda want war. National elements do not

Until pearl harbor

Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one
 
Says “inspired”…. The level headed conspiracy theorist. Lol.
All the stupid assed braindead bullshit you sling around here, you shouldn't criticize anybody.

That blue pill up your ass makes you incompetent to discuss anything deeper or more complex than Kamala Harris last speech
 
Love your prose. Speaks to your general education and personality

You’re nothing more that a deluded twisted little conspiracy theorist. Despite what your mom still tells you
 
Well I worked in covid units in Manhattan that year and watched hundreds of people die. Over a million people in this country have died of covid. And this was before the vaccines, before covid had mutated into something weaker... it was a time in winter we were in lockdown, covid was circulating big time and if you didn't allow mail in ballots you would have the blood of thousands of people on your hands.

Trump felt mail in ballots were a disadvantage to him because he was the "get back to normal life" candidate while Biden was the masks, lockdowns, and social distancing candidate.

But the stuff Trump did was inexcusable. He knew he was losing based on polls and called it a fraud before it even began. He set up a "command center" for denying the election at Willard Hotel who was going to come up with reasons to deny it no matter how smoothly it went. Tweeted so many verifiable lies that Twitter had to shut him down. Had Giuliani call a Georgia official to "find enough votes" to overturn the election results he's being prosecuted for today. Started a campaign to get electoral college voters to vote for him instead of who they represent voted for. Tried to get Vice President Pence not to certify the results. And then the January 6th attack on congress he incited.

All this after recounts in Georgia, Wisconsin, Iowa, New York, Alaska and elsewhere showed their results were fair and accurate.

William Barr, Trump's Attorney General, testified to the Jan 6th Committe that before resigning as attorney general, he had told president Trump that allegations of election fraud were "bullshit." At times during his testimony he could not control his laughter at the absurdity of some fraud allegations, such as the Italygate theory that satellites controlled from Italy had flipped votes from Trump to Biden, and that former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez had orchestrated an election fraud scheme, despite having died seven years earlier. Barr testified Trump never gave "an indication of interest in what the actual facts were," adding the president had "become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff."

Lol. You're such a goddamn idiot.

William Barr is the son of Donald Barr, the guy who gave Jeffery Epstein his first job and palled around with Robert Maxwell...father of Giselan Maxwell, and also an Israeli mossad founding member and a known spreader of lies and disinformation for intelligence agencies.

You think any of those people would tell the truth?

You're asanine comment "well, William Barr said"...

Bill Barr is a scumbag, a James Comey or peter strzok kind of government insider.

You're own DNC figured out they can't win elections without controlling the internet and censoring public debate. They've set about destroying it.

Donald Trump is censored off most major media outlets in clear violation of the first amendment.

And you sick pathetic bastards cheer it on.

You're such an ignorant mfer.
 
You're own DNC figured out they can't win elections without controlling the internet and censoring public debate. They've set about destroying it.
I actually haven't voted in an election since 2000. I came here because this Ukraine aid seems to be a good deal for the US... very affordable aid setting back the military a dictator antagonistic to the West controls by 20 years or more. Somewhere between 2 in 3, to 3 in 4 Americans agree with me.

You had to make it a political thing about Biden and election fraud (another area where 2 in 3 Americans agree with me) and anti-capitalism, commie, homophobic stuff (again, where the majority agree with me.)
 
I actually haven't voted in an election since 2000. I came here because this Ukraine aid seems to be a good deal for the US... very affordable aid setting back the military a dictator antagonistic to the West controls by 20 years or more. Somewhere between 2 in 3, to 3 in 4 Americans agree with me.

You had to make it a political thing about Biden and election fraud (another area where 2 in 3 Americans agree with me) and anti-capitalism, commie, homophobic stuff (again, where the majority agree with me.)

That just goes to show what a disingenuous, unoriginal and contemptible wretch you really are.

"Ukraine aid seems to be a good deal for the US... very affordable aid setting back the military a dictator antagonistic to the West" - @hometeam

All the bullshit you've said before and you just showed your hand right there.

You're advocating suffering and war that's killing thousands of people, not because you believe in cause, or truly care about the ukranian people, but because you think it will benifit you and your leaders.

Of all the chickenshit, malicious, vindictive, conniving and dastardly shit in the world, you've finally spoken the truth of a coward.

And you justify it by telling yourself there are more cowards, liars and swindlers than honest men. So it doesn't matter if you're wrong, because the other degenerate idiots agree with you. What a sleazy, lowlife thing to believe

There's nothing political about opposing war and human suffering for the sake of greed you POS

And there's nothing political about opposing the lies, treachery and villainous actions of one's own government.

It's a matter of being honest and calling it for what it is.

You finally told the truth. And sunk your own damn ship.

Who gives a fuck what you say anymore? You don't care about those people dying and suffering. Because it you think it benifits you and your masters.

I'd tell you to go to hell. But there's no point. You live in hell already. A coward, devoid of originality, aforethought and courage.

Enjoy your full belly, comfort and cheap amusements at the cost of the lives of men dying every day and knowing that each one of those men are worth 20 of you.

Sit smugly and content you SOB, It's all getting paid for in the end
 
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You're advocating suffering and war that's killing thousands of people, not because you believe in cause, or truly care about the ukranian people, but because you think it will benifit you and your leaders.
Hey, the moment Ukraine doesn't want to fight, I don't believe in forcing them or coercing them, but nobody is forcing them or coercing them - they want to fight and are happy to do so. They were attacked and are angry. And as an independent nation, they get to decide what clan they belong to.

You keep acting like it's the US who invaded Ukraine here and that's not the case. And you keep blaming the US for allowing Ukraine to defend themselves instead of being defeated, that's like blaming the victims for not going out quietly.

You really have to twist your mind and spin things to look past the fact that it's Russia that is the aggressor here, that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of Russia, and that Ukraine doesn't want to be part of Russia. To say that it's the US that is causing all this misery here and not Russia would be very misinformed and misleading. The fact that the conflict benefits the US is a happy coincidence.
 
To say that it's the US that is causing all this misery here and not Russia would be very misinformed and misleading. The fact that the conflict benefits the US is a happy coincidence.


Except it's not a coincidence you gutless worm.

It's exactly the reason the US instigated the conflict from the beginning : it benifits them.

Wallow in ignorance and satisfaction all you want. Suck up the lies and tell yourself you're good for something because you can fall in line.

You ain't worth anymore of time
 
Except it's not a coincidence you gutless worm.

It's exactly the reason the US instigated the conflict from the beginning : it benifits them.

Wallow in ignorance and satisfaction all you want. Suck up the lies and tell yourself you're good for something because you can fall in line.

You ain't worth anymore of time
This invasion took everybody by surprise. Beating the Russians at Kiev also took everybody by surprise. And if you can't see that, your conspiracies are no better than @Inspired
 
Love the voices of reason rising above the caustic orange foam

Some ignorant, ethnocentric, isolationist, xenophobe earlier that mentioned on this priceless thread something to the effect that Europe loves America - has clearly never ventured farther East than New Jersey.

Americans are readily identified and treated …differently in much of Europe. Unfortunately no respect these days. Some Americans wear Canadian flags. Can’t say I’d ever do that, but it speaks to the general perception of Americans and what some do to avoid it.

We’re correctly seen as a bunch of dangerous, ignorant adolescents.
 
That's from one point of view. Biden also ended the Afghanistan war and Trump expanded the War in Syria. It's not like one was a pacifist and the other a warmongerer. And let's not forget for the umpteenth time it was Russia who attacked/invaded Ukraine. Biden invaded/attacked no one.

Trump was definitely friendlier to Russia though, so much that his campaign chairman Manafort and deputy chairman Gates were indicted on charges related to their consultation work with pro-Russian political figures in Ukraine. So much that his son in law Kushner met with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary.
You write what the media actively promoted. Then tell us about the work of Biden's son in Ukraine, why this is all hushed up. You can not attack, but do everything for provocations, so that the war is someone else's hands.
 
You write what the media actively promoted. Then tell us about the work of Biden's son in Ukraine, why this is all hushed up. You can not attack, but do everything for provocations, so that the war is someone else's hands.
I don't agree with Hunter Biden accepting an $11 million job he wasn't qualified for at a Ukrainian company. I think his dad himself has said he doesn't agree with it either. But the American people voted his dad in being fully aware of it. And even the most hardcore conspiracy theorist about the election would have to agree at a minimum 45% of the American people voted for him, but 2 out of 3 people don't believe those conspiracies.

So be a big boy and deal with it. Every 4-8 years the Presidency switches parties and the other side just pisses and moans about the new President for the next 4-8 years. It's annoying. You'll get your side in power again. Neither side is in power forever.

And while I don't agree with it, I'll add that at least Hunter aligned himself with the right side of this rather than the Trump campaign aligning themselves with Russia and pro-Russian figures.
 
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