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You really don't have the first clue of what you're talking about
The US/NATO alliance could have prevented this whole thing easily with simple low cost diplomacy.
They chose not to. They were given warnings for 20 years.
If a man catches you drunk pissing in his yard and says it he sees you doing it again, he'll punch you in the face.
So the next day, you stumbled home drunk, walked right into his yard and pulled your dick out, what do you think that man will do
Lmfao.
Typical of a gutless cunt to think spitting in a man's face doesn't warrant his knocking your teeth out.
If I were you, I'd be careful where I spit because others in the world don't see it through the lens of cowardice cloaked in bravado.
Russia warned a military response to NATO pushing into Ukrain, the warning was not heeded as the US state department orchestrated coups and proceeded to involve themselves in ukranian politics.
You can remain the gutless cunt you are and pretend this isn't provoking the warned response. But your not in charge of Russia's national security either.
Nobody is suggesting it was justified. Least of all me because I'm anti war to enrich bastards who profit from it.
But the us seen it justified to organize an invasion of Cuba to prevent them from militarizing.
The US seen it as justified to invade Iraq and kill millions of people because of rumors they had nerve gas
The US seen it as justified to bomb Syria, Kosovo, Serbia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia etc with absolutely no national security concerns at all.
I am saying as a matter of fact, that this response was clearly provoked, as our own national security leaders themselves said on numerous occasions.
Russia is not full of gutless cunts that will not back up a warning or a line crossed.
Everyone from Henry Kissinger to William Burns to George keeman knew better
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The war never starts if in 2014 the US state department didn't orchestrate a coup in Ukraine for the purpose of expanding NATO and western banking interests.
Your using your cunt talk again. "My nose wouldn't be bleeding if my neighbor didn't punch me"
Your neighbor wouldn't have punched you if you heeded his warning and refrained from pissing on his lawn.
Fuck you and the chicken or the egg argument. And fuck your lies that the US leadership couldn't have prevented this. Because the could have back in the egg stage and chose not to.
And five years from now, cunts like you will be saying "I was always against the war" and lying to avoid the shame of having supported such bullshit at the time
Just like in Iraq.
What exactly provoked Russia into attacking them? They got some NATO weapons that can't reach Moscow? They didn't like the leadership in Ukraine back in 2014, 8 years ago? Russian speaking people at the border felt persecuted? They're not a good Russian neighbor like Belarus? These are not just causes for an invasion. You're reaching. No one threatened or attacked Russia.
What you don't understand is Putin considers Ukraine a part of Russia, or more accurately the Soviet Union - which he believes never should have been dissolved. His own words were: "Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space." and Ukraine is "infected with the virus of nationalism." And he says the collapse of the Soviet Union is one of history's "great tragedy's." You don't understand this and yet you're calling others stupid.
It's not much different than the Southern states seceding from our union and Lincoln starting a civil war and the first draft to reunite them. Only Lincoln's war was about slavery and Putin's is about fake Nazis who apparently persecute Russians.
He overestimated the strength of his military and decided to flex it's muscles. Now that his military has been exposed as much weaker than he thought he has no moral justification for what he's done. It's 100% imperialism. It's like us going into Iraq, only being able to control 20% of the country, and still claiming they have WMD. And people like you are really struggling to provide that justification for Russia. A neighbor pissing in your yard so you punch him in the mouth doesn't begin to justify the war in Ukraine.
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Are really this ignorant, or are you feigning dishonesty and stupidity while trying to deflect the entire root cause of this conflict?
You obviously didn't bother to read the article I sent you which clearly states our own foreign policy experts explaining clearly why US state department intervention in Ukranian politics was a stupid idea because it would inevitably lead to a war with Russia.
If you're to stupid to understand our own foreign policy experts on the subject, at the time this shit was going down, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate such an idiot.
Really?
You are an ignorant mfer.
You're basically making the exact stupid ass argument I told everyone here you would eventually make "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"
Because that's literally all you've got. It's stupid and childish.
Putin is a ruthless dude, but he's not Joseph Stalin. And the UK has a better chance of rebuilding the British empire than Russia does the Soviet Union.
No, I'm calling you stupid.
Because there's millions of British people who look back at their own slave trading oppressive empire with a nostalgic fondness of sorts.
No American patriot isn't proud of the early days of America and it's fight for independence, even though it was a slave trading oppressive colony in rebellion at the time.
Your really an idiot not to see it.
The Russian people overthrew the Soviet Union. Not the US, not NATO and not the democrat party. The Russian people did because they decided it became something they didn't want.
But that doesn't mean a Russian patriot can't look back on their own history of empire the same way the Italians view the Roman empire, or the English people do the British empire, or that any American feels about the traitorous rebellion of the revolutionary war.
Get fkin real already
Obviously you don't know anything about the origins of the Azov battalion, and the groups of right sector and sveboda who helped the US state department overthrow the ukranian government in 2014 and claim the power themselves.
These are the proud grandsons of the Galatian SS black sun badge bona fide fuckin Nazis. And they're in Ukraine right now fighting alongside Muslim extremist groups in Ukraine. And those ain't Putins boys. They're Joe Biden and zelenskys boys.
And now they have rockets, guns, bombs and cash.
Bin laden once worked for the CIA fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
What the fuck do you think these Nazis will be doing when this is over and they've stockpiled hordes of our own weapons and money's?
You want to see tomorrow's Boogeyman, just look at who we're setting up today
Since when does a cunt like you get to decide what's "morally justified"?
Aren't you the one on here talking about open war to "defeat Russia" and kill millions of people for the profit of rich bastards
War is never really justified you damn fool. And this one isn't either.
Which is all the more shame our own leadership provoked it when they could have prevented it.
Because if you piss on my lawn after I've already warned you not to, then I'll knock your teeth out and consider it justified.
Cunts don't get to run around the world disrespecting, stealing, robbing and shitting on other people without fear of someone standing up to them.
Even if those cunts are liberals and wave NATO flags.
As an American I say enough meddling in this shit and enough stirring up shit all over the world.
If Ukraine wants a war with Russia, then they can have at it. No more American taxpayers money while American people are suffering.
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Yes, because Putin is "fond" of the former Soviet Union but doesn't want to rebuild it. What the hell are you smoking lol
No one is stealing, robbing, or shitting on Russia and even if they were that doesn't justify an invasion. That doesn't justify war.
Putin, and most Russians, thought they had this superpower military and they could run right over Kiev in 2 days with it, with a 40 mile long convoy. They could say "we're getting rid of Nazis" and it won't matter it's a lie because no one could stop it.
Now it matters. Now they have to justify it. And this is the garbage you come up with? Someone pissed on their lawn? You really go punch your neighbor in the face because he took a piss on your lawn? What kind of neighbor are you? You need to "study very hard" to understand "the origins of the Azrov battalion" to really understand this?
That's because you don't have any ground to stand on here. Try to make it as complicated and complex as you can and still the war never starts without the Russian invasion, still the war ends the moment the Russians go home, still the Russians were never threatened or attacked. Still there is no justification for what they did - no matter how much you try. It is a bully trying to pick on a smaller kid. It's so easy to see this, and with those facts in place you can't convince reasonable people otherwise.
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The fuckin guy said himself rebuilding it was a stupid idea.
They have no chance of ever pulling that off.
Stop being stupid
You really should educate yourself.
I've presented you with history and facts and you argument against it is mere childish nonsense.
Why didn't you read anything I sent?
Why do you choose to stand at a point in ignorance?
"Nobody was threatening Russia". They spit right in Russia's face and shit in their yard daring them to do something about it.
You're a cunt as you've made quite clear and would not call a bluff. But Russia did
How the West Sowed the Seeds of War in Ukraine
Putin invaded Ukraine. But an alliance of bad actors, the U.S. foreign policy establishment, and NGOs paved the road that made the present crisis inevitable.
contra.substack.com
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What facts? You're still confusing facts with opinion.
These are not facts:
"These are the proud grandsons of the Galatian SS black sun badge bona fide fuckin Nazis. And they're in Ukraine right now fighting alongside Muslim extremist groups in Ukraine. And those ain't Putins boys. They're Joe Biden and zelenskys boys.
And now they have rockets, guns, bombs and cash."
It's your opinion.
And you don't need to go on and on with your version of history and facts trying to confuse the issue when it's very clear who attacked who and was not threatened or harmed in any way when they did so. There is nothing you can say that overcomes that. It's embarrassing.
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Ukrainians did not go across the border to Russia and spit on Russians and shit in their yard. And even if they did, it doesn't justify Russians coming to Ukraine and killing thousands.
Russia thought they had a superpower military and thought they could bully their neighbors. They didn't. If Russia stops attacking, the war ends. If Ukraine stops defending themselves, Ukraine ends. It's no more complicated than that.
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That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Anybody willing to look into it can find the truth.
Those people who prefer to be ignorant cunts maintaining childish views of the world and reality can call it what you want.
You don't know the first fucking thing about any of this excerpt what you've been shoveled by CNN and MSNBC
No, the Ukraine people did not spit in the faces of Russian leaders.
The US state department did that.
Like I said, if you're too goddamn stupid to research or do anything else except parrot MSNBC and CNN bullshit talking points, then I'm not going to waste anymore time on your ignorant cunt ass
Ukraine, has already lost you dumbfuxk. Thier country has been pounded into rubble large parts are now occupied probably permanently and now they owe trillions of dollars to most corrupt regime on the planet.
Ukraine ended the day they bought the bullshit of the US state department.
They'll be working in the wheat Fields they used to own while Cargill and general Mills sell the wheat.
Or they can work in the gas fields they used to own for shell and Exxon.
That is whatever part of it Russia leaves to be looted by western banks.
Congratulations on being just the kind of stupid motherfukker to help somebody trade thier country for an empty promise.
Fuck you anyway. You won't read anything about the subject to get the facts. So fuck off
The US State Dept did not cross the border into Russia and spit in the face of Russians and shit in their yard. Even if they did it's not a justification for invading Ukraine.
What the hell are you even talking about? More about Eastern European history and how you really, really need to study it? How it totally justifies attacking someone when you were not threatened or attacked yourself?
Yeah and the EU has already said they will rebuild it once the Russian troops leave. But Russia will never be the same after it's exposed how weak their military is, after Putin has lost a war with a smaller, weaker neighbor. How long will Putin live? How long will republics like Chechnya and Daastan stay a part of Russia?
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Well yeah, but first strike total annihilation and dismantlement of Russian state would have been bad optics.
Unfortunate, but it is as it is and now we have to deal with consequences of half-assing the collapse of the Soviet Union and not dealing with Communists properly.
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It seems to me that the argument is pointless, if you still believe the media, I think there is nothing to discuss with you.
Hightower
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Reasoned post, thanks for the literate and clear position. And not this heresy to be written above
You've got a point in a way.
The treatment of Russia after the dissolution of the Soviet Union is a large part of the reason there's war in Ukraine today.
You probably don't know this, and it's no fault of your own really that you don't, but the Soviet Union was dissolved by the Russian people, not NATO, not the US. But the Russian people. That brand of Marxist authoritarian government created by Stalin and Lenin died because the Russian people rejected it.
In one of the greatest missed opportunities in human history, the US had the chance to really do something special. The Russian people had dissolved the Soviet Union and were asking for our help to transfer from a Communist economy to a privatized economic system.
Instead of helping them, we put the boot on their necks, stuffed thier faces in the mud and picked thier pockets.
Pretty much the same thing we did to Germany after WW1.
Did you know that during the looting of the former Soviet Union in the late 1990s the average life expectancy of Russian men went down almost 14 years? Can you think of the conditions that caused that?
So I don't agree that annihilation of the Russian state was ever necessary, because after the fall of the Soviet Union Russia itself asked to join NATO twice. But Russia was never getting into NATO, because the national defense lobby needed a selling point and a Boogeyman to remain the biggest lobby in the world. Otherwise, people would ask why do we need NATO? Why do we need a massive military industrial complex?
If not for the Boogeyman somewhere out there in the dark?
I think a more humane and practical solution is to have informed and educated citizenry in what is supposed to be the world's democracy so that the lies, looting and raping that happened to Russia in the 1990s never happened at all and there would be no reason for grievances, distrust and war today.
Or at least if there was, idiots wouldn't be cheering on the train wreck our own government caused
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This @hometeam is the type of person who believes he should be able to get in your face and spit in your eye and some kind of law or power outside of the two of you should punish you if you took his spit as provocation and punched him in the mouth.
The very premise behind that kind of thought and reasoning reeks of cowardice and complicity to any semblance of manhood, personal integrity or respect.
There's no way such a cunt could ever understand the type of world men live in where it's taken as despicable for you to go back on your word or not stand up for yourself when required. Or that's it's chickenshit to lie and connive.
This type of person is alien to man like yourself because he would suck the dick off a dead dog to get over on you or ahead in life.....IF...he thought nobody else would find out about it.
You're the type of person that would die before he'd succumb to such degradation and it wouldn't matter to you if nobody else in the world ever knew it except for you. Because you Knowing it is all that really matters and you'd die first.
I get that. I'm the same way.
@hometeam is not. He's a punk , a loathsome creature and we're just not going to understand each other
