Recovery log: Tyler is going natural.

[Tyler81]

Also foreveryoung, this was a response you made to that same thread:

 

[Tyler81]

This chap guy did a recovery log and it's inspiring to me.

(He may be back on the sauce now but the thread is still inspiring for guys trying to recover their natural levels)

Here are some snippets:

 

[foreveryoung]

This chap guy did a recovery log and it's inspiring to me.
(He may be back on the sauce now but the thread is still inspiring for guys trying to recover their natural levels)

Here are some snippets:

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for chap, things went steadily downhill after that and now he regrets that experiment of going off and believes it had bad effects on his system that persisted and aged him. he was thinking very positively during that experiment and wanted it to work so badly he was trying to ignore the bad and focus on positive thinking but in the long run it didn't work out at all

 

[foreveryoung]

Also foreveryoung, this was a response you made to that same thread:

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i believe my problems were persisting due to my experiments with hcg and serms and probably too high doses of testosterone as well. .. you can't just change a bad protocol and expect things to get better quickly, it sometimes takes many many months

now my libido and function are very good, orgasms better than ever in my life, i use a small dose of viagra for sex (helps with confidence too) but other than that i am great sexually, much better in bed than i was decades ago and my orgasms are extremely strong

 

[Tyler81]

i believe my problems were persisting due to my experiments with hcg and serms and probably too high doses of testosterone as well. .. you can't just change a bad protocol and expect things to get better quickly, it sometimes takes many many months

Point is, its all good if your protocol works for you but we tend to focus on the positives in any situation to make that situation seem like the best option. I did that for years on TRT (and there were some positives) but now I am focusing on getting my fertility back, pornstar loads, not worrying about transferrance, natural ebbs and flows of T, and other things related to being natural.

Mostly I am looking forward to consistency in how I feel and being healthy overall.

 

[Tyler81]

for chap, things went steadily downhill after that and now he regrets that experiment of going off and believes it had bad effects on his system that persisted and aged him. he was thinking very positively during that experiment and wanted it to work so badly he was trying to ignore the bad and focus on positive thinking but in the long run it didn't work out at all

Exactly.

This is a recovery thread so the point is to stay positive on the recovery aspects.

 

[Tyler81]

I hope your protocol IS good for you but this is the best decision for me.

(also no matter what you say orgasms are, and always will be, better natural)

 

[jay89]

Hey Tyler,

I dont know if your into buying research chemicals online but I did come across a peptide company selling enclomiphene citrate (Androxal). If you google "enclomiphene research chemical'' you ll have no problem finding it.

 

[Tyler81]

Thanks dude.
I am going to ask my doctor for clomid because i dont want to cut any corners here. The recovery process is difficult enough without worrying about "is this research chem clomid/androxal legit?" There are enough doubts in my mind about whether I can even recover or not.

But thanks man I appreciate it.

 

[toolman]

Hey is there an over/under pool for when you go back on?!?

 

[jay89]

I hope Tyler doesnt mind a bit of humour. But I say the odds are right down the middle comparable to the Diaz vs Mcgregor UFC 202 rematch.

 

[foreveryoung]

I hope your protocol IS good for you but this is the best decision for me.

(also no matter what you say orgasms are, and always will be, better natural)

I used to believe that, but not any more, my orgasms now are stronger than they ever were in my whole life, they are very powerful and last a long time

 

[foreveryoung]

the thing I have found, is you have to formulate a logical protocol, and then stick with it for an extended time, it sometimes takes many months for the system and brain chemistry to "settle down", and the worst thing one can do is make drastic changes and drastic tweaking along the way, because you never get that consistency that might lead to better things

I totally avoid high doses, that would sabotage me and the ill effects last a long long long time... for me something like hcg is a total disaster that seems to have persistent changes in my system for a long time and makes anything else I am doing irrelevant to figuring out a long term plan

 

[jay89]

Foreveryoung what would you consider a high dose? and what is your protocol?

 

[Tyler81]

Let's please keep the thread focused on recovery.

Thanks.

 

[Tyler81]

I used to believe that, but not any more, my orgasms now are stronger than they ever were in my whole life, they are very powerful and last a long time

Youve said high doses were best then you said estrogen blockers were key then you said Proviron was the ticket then it was TREN etc.

You don't care about things like fertility but I do.

The point is I relate to all your old posts and it's honestly a cop out to say oh its not true now that you are back on T with Tren.

It's like an ex gf who says you are the shit while you are together and then goes oh nah that was all false it sucked new guy is better.

Recency bias.

For me , Mood / health / libido / orgasms were all more consistent natural.

 

[Tyler81]

Hey is there an over/under pool for when you go back on?!?

Unless I can get the gels to absorb again I'm not going back on.

 

[Tyler81]

I want to father children and I hate Hcg so i can't use it indefinetly like some guys.

I want to be able to bang a girl and blow pornstar style loads on her body and know that if I want to inpregnate her I can blow a load in her vagina and bam! Pregnant.

I can't use Hcg every week I hate the stuff so since the gels don't work anymore this is time for me to come off and Get my testicles back online.

 

[Tyler81]

Also bottom line,
Im really looking forward to being natural again and not thinking about this shit for at least 10 years.

I'm in my 30s now if in my 40s I am like ok I've had some kids and there are new treatments out like androxal then I can consider some sort of supplementation again.

 

[Tyler81]

Through this journey I've realized T is overrated. It's not the magic solution for libido and while it helps somewhat with energy stuff like diet exercise sleep vitamins and just overall lifestyle is equally important.

I will be taking up yoga meditation and other lifestyle changes when I'm natural.

Being some jacked dude in the gym matters ZERO to me.

I couldn't care less.