Recomping effects of tren possible at 100-120mg/w?

[RockyP]

I've been cruising for a bit at 100test/100npp and am thinking about throwing in a microdose of 25mg/week tren a for a few weeks. I know doing that would make it technically not a 'cruise' but I'm trying to shave some fat off before a vacation and am curious how such a low dose would affect me mentally + my physique/bloodwork.

Has anyone else ever gone this low? And how much do y'all think that'd affect my lipids? Which is prob my biggest concern, my HDL got very shy after my last blast

I run 30-35 mg weekly and it’s very noticeable. As far as HDL, that’s going to be low for most gear users dependent upon genetics, so best to focus on aggressive LDL / ApoB management on and off cycle.

 

[readalot]

Nice thread. Thank you.

 

[manbat]

real tempted to run some low level Tren A.
I have some opti vials sitting in my cabinet just staring at me

The dark side beckons.

 

[Raiders789]

I run 30-35 mg weekly and it’s very noticeable. As far as HDL, that’s going to be low for most gear users dependent upon genetics, so best to focus on aggressive LDL / ApoB management on and off cycle.

Yeah, I've sorta accepted that my HDL will likely never see north of 30 for a while. Even when I was natural my HDL sit in the high 30s but I've never had it >40.

I've been taking 10mg ezetimibe + 5mg rosuvistatin and that keeps my ldl ~30 and apoB at 40 which from my understanding keeps me risk free from plaque buildup even if my HDL is in the toilet. But that low HDL is still an eyesore on my bloodwork and I'd like to have it higher if possible. However, the enjoyment of taking steroids greatly surpasses my concern for the number of HDL particles in my blood.

 

[RockyP]

Wouldn’t it be fun if we, as a community, came up with a way for the least toxic tren to be brewed and run at low dosages for maximal benefit and minimal deleterious effects? I guy can dream right? The concept of 35 mg weekly is not new and many guys still do get mental / insomnia sides so I do t want to make it seem like this is totally benign. It’s still tren. It’s a beast. Be careful and nobody will laugh at you for going lower than 5 mg daily to start (but measuring it out will be tough)

 

[sionnach]

but measuring it out will be tough

 

[ackmack78]

I've been cruising for a bit at 100test/100npp and am thinking about throwing in a microdose of 25mg/week tren a for a few weeks. I know doing that would make it technically not a 'cruise' but I'm trying to shave some fat off before a vacation and am curious how such a low dose would affect me mentally + my physique/bloodwork.

Has anyone else ever gone this low? And how much do y'all think that'd affect my lipids? Which is prob my biggest concern, my HDL got very shy after my last blast

Nothing wrong with starting 25 but that dose would be a pain the ass. I'd at least start at 35 so you could do an even 5 or 10 ED or EOD.
Do you notice joint relief at 100mg of npp a week or what's that in for? If not for joints curious why you don't just run 150-200 test

 

[sionnach]

Do you notice joint relief at 100mg of npp a week or what's that in for? If not for joints curious why you don't just run 150-200 test

I also found that ratio to be...outside the box, tbh.

 

[Raiders789]

I also found that ratio to be...outside the box, tbh.

Yeah, I know it might not be typical but for context I'm coming off my second blast and first time using nandrolone.

First started npp at 200mg/week on that blast and my joints instantly felt significantly better and eventually worked up to 400mg/week. I never really had crazy joint pain but would sometimes have aching in my knees when squatting/doing cardio but npp completely eliminated that. I dropped down to 100mg/week because based on what I've read that seems to be the minimum effective dose to get the joint benefits from nandrolone.

I've been cruising for just over a week, and my plan is to find the lowest dose of npp I can take to still get the joint benefits. So I plan to drop 10mg every week until I notice joint pain come back.

As far as dosages, when I cruise I'll just mix all my gear into a new vial and do daily sc injections. so I currently have .5ml test and 1ml npp in a sterile vial and I'll do .21ml subq every morning. And when I decide to add in tren a I'll just throw in .25ml to the weekly supply and adjust the daily pinning to that.

 

[RockyP]

Yeah, I know it might not be typical but for context I'm coming off my second blast and first time using nandrolone.

First started npp at 200mg/week on that blast and my joints instantly felt significantly better and eventually worked up to 400mg/week. I never really had crazy joint pain but would sometimes have aching in my knees when squatting/doing cardio but npp completely eliminated that. I dropped down to 100mg/week because based on what I've read that seems to be the minimum effective dose to get the joint benefits from nandrolone.

I've been cruising for just over a week, and my plan is to find the lowest dose of npp I can take to still get the joint benefits. So I plan to drop 10mg every week until I notice joint pain come back.

As far as dosages, when I cruise I'll just mix all my gear into a new vial and do daily sc injections. so I currently have .5ml test and 1ml npp in a sterile vial and I'll do .21ml subq every morning. And when I decide to add in tren a I'll just throw in .25ml to the weekly supply and adjust the daily pinning to that.

50-100 of Deca is usually good for joints so somewhere around there for NPP (after calculating ester weights - nerd alert! J/k) should be good. On the other hand, if just looking for joint support, you might find that just pinning 50-100 of Deca weekly is easier. I absolutely love NPP and can’t wait to run it on a rebound after I unfat myself and get back under 10-12%

 

[Raiders789]

50-100 of Deca is usually good for joints so somewhere around there for NPP (after calculating ester weights - nerd alert! J/k) should be good. On the other hand, if just looking for joint support, you might find that just pinning 50-100 of Deca weekly is easier. I absolutely love NPP and can’t wait to run it on a rebound after I unfat myself and get back under 10-12%

Yeah I figure if I decide I want to keep nandrolone in my hrt which I'm pretty sure is gonna become a staple regardless of blast/cruise. But I have a bunch of npp left over because Primal was goated and upgraded all my 100mg/ml npp to 200mg/ml, so I've got a fuck ton of npp just waiting to lube up my joints.

Even at 100mg I feel I'm holding noticeably more water. I'm pretty lean so it's not a huge deal but I wanna try to get to a really low bf before blasting it again. 400mg had me feeling like the Michelin man but the gains were incredibly worth it and I cant wait to run that shit again.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Low/effective doses of tren have surprisingly little adverse effect on blood work. In fact it lowers hgA1c and triglycerides. DHT derivates seem far worse on lipids, and test/Eq worse for hematocrit.

I run 5mg tren & trest ace ea daily, year round. The estrogen from the trest should offset any potential neurotoxicity from the potent androgens. I’ve read the studies about that, and still think much of it is related to sleep deprivation, as are many of the psych symptoms some develop with tren use (paranoia, uncontrollable anger, hostility, depression, etc). Same thing happens to coke/meth addicts who can’t sleep, and those unfortunate enough to have fatal familial insomnia.

Even at higher doses only real problem it causes me is sleep disturbance, but microdosing Seroquel/quetiapine takes care of that completely. Just 6.25 - 12.5 mg sublingual works every night… and easy to split as the (smallest) 25mg tabs from pct24x7 are double scored. No hangover, amnesia, or development of tolerance/dependency. And any cardiac issues from Seroquel use are irrelevant at that dosage.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Low/effective doses of tren have surprisingly little adverse effect on blood work. In fact it lowers hgA1c and triglycerides. DHT derivates seem far worse on lipids, and test/Eq worse for hematocrit.

I run 5mg tren & trest ace ea daily, year round. The estrogen from the trest should offset any potential neurotoxicity from the potent androgens. I’ve read the studies about that, and still think much of it is related to sleep deprivation, as are many of the psych symptoms some develop with tren use (paranoia, uncontrollable anger, hostility, depression, etc). Same thing happens to coke/meth addicts who can’t sleep, and those unfortunate enough to have fatal familial insomnia.

Even at higher doses only real problem it causes me is sleep disturbance, but microdosing Seroquel/quetiapine takes care of that completely. Just 6.25 - 12.5 mg sublingual works every night… and easy to split as the (smallest) 25mg tabs from pct24x7 are double scored. No hangover, amnesia, or development of tolerance/dependency. And any cardiac issues from Seroquel use are irrelevant at that dosage.

i agree, sleep deprivation was shown to have alzheimers like cognitive effects that took weeks or months to recover from. however i think sleeping pills are just as bad, something something anticholinergic something something

I think everyone should take a long list of sleep support supplements to chill out pre bed before even thinking of pharma options.

Wouldn’t it be fun if we, as a community, came up with a way for the least toxic tren to be brewed and run at low dosages for maximal benefit and minimal deleterious effects? I guy can dream right? The concept of 35 mg weekly is not new and many guys still do get mental / insomnia sides so I do t want to make it seem like this is totally benign. It’s still tren. It’s a beast. Be careful and nobody will laugh at you for going lower than 5 mg daily to start (but measuring it out will be tough)

idk why people dont just microdose tren e
just take 20mg once or twice a week
its a long ester and it doesn't aromatize, i think using ace to try to have such a low dose be stable is a waste of time

 

[sionnach]

however i think sleeping pills are just as bad

Agree 100%. That shit is nasty for mental health.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I've always done ED for the stable blood levels. But after a while the ED pinning gets real old. I may need to try EOD if people don't notice a big difference in effects

Don't forget that tren E exists. It's even available at 200mg/ml so you can pin less oil as well. I pin it twice a week

 

[ackmack78]

Don't forget that tren E exists. It's even available at 200mg/ml so you can pin less oil as well. I pin it twice a week

Ya I actually picked some up Tren E to run for the last 10-12 weeks of my bulk at 150mg a week.

I usually run Tren A at 105-140 a week for spot duty, a couple weeks here or there during a bulk. Helps me push at the end of a meso when volume and weights are creeping up before I deload. And then ill run it again at the end of my bulk for like 6 weeks. This time I'm gonna replace it with Tren E at the end for longer

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

One of the reasons I prefer tren A is that levels fluctuate… get a rapid peak which drives AR genomic activity and levels drop at night which facilitates sleep.


Agree with that assessment of most sleeping pills - including z-drugs and benzos, and anticholingerics; long term use is a problem.

That’s why I’m a big fan of quetiapine. It’s sleep inducing at microdoses is from a very potent centrally acting antihistamine and slight antidopaminergic activity. At clinical/psych doses that does change - it does exhibit dose dependent anticholinergic and progressive antidopaminergic effects - which is why it is generally prescribed.

Tren definitely gives me insomnia at pretty much any dose, but with my levels dropping at night the 6.25-12.5mg quetiapine sublingual knocks my ass out in < 20 min. I’d sleep 7-8 hours straight except for the masteron which makes me pee every 2-3 hours starting about 6 a.m. I typically stay up very late until ~ 3 a.m. and sleep in, always been that way.

 

[RockyP]

i agree, sleep deprivation was shown to have alzheimers like cognitive effects that took weeks or months to recover from. however i think sleeping pills are just as bad, something something anticholinergic something something

I think everyone should take a long list of sleep support supplements to chill out pre bed before even thinking of pharma options.


idk why people dont just microdose tren e
just take 20mg once or twice a week
its a long ester and it doesn't aromatize, i think using ace to try to have such a low dose be stable is a waste of time

Tren E half life is 11 days. That means 6 weeks to achieve steady state and the same time to clear the blood. That timeframe doesn’t appeal to some users.

 

[Eddie.]

25mg or 35mg of tren is a waste of syringe doing this ed or eod with Ace, just shoot a small amount of E weekly and that's it. At this dose i doubt anyone can feel anything at all, positive or negative effect so, there will be no need to back off the dose or quit it asap. Same with NPP..if it's under a 100mg just shoot deca once a week and wait a little longer to saturate. They all start to work immediately, they just don't peak fast. Don't think that for 6 weeks it doesn't do anything.

 

[RockyP]

25mg or 35mg of tren is a waste of syringe doing this ed or eod with Ace, just shoot a small amount of E weekly and that's it. At this dose i doubt anyone can feel anything at all, positive or negative effect so, there will be no need to back off the dose or quit it asap. Same with NPP..if it's under a 100mg just shoot deca once a week and wait a little longer to saturate. They all start to work immediately, they just don't peak fast. Don't think that for 6 weeks it doesn't do anything.

Some people do get side effects at 35 mg weekly that cause them to want to stop. Using enanthate for such a person would not be prudent. If you are certain you tolerate tren, then enanthate is def the move.