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insaiyan93

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So I'm 6'3 315, I'd like to think somewhere between 22-25% body fat. I'm not TOO concerned about aesthetics as I am more concerned with lifting heavy weights, but I DO want to come down a little bit. I don't want a six pack or anything, I'd be happy with just a flat stomach and getting rid of my tits lol. I'm looking to get down to around 280, maybe 270 at the lowest. I've been looking at alot of pictures online and I think 15% BF is around where I would like to be. I'm taking a slow steady approach as I'm trying to lose as much in fat as I can and limit muscle loss because losing the strength I've gained so far is a literal fucking nightmare in my eyes lol.im in a small caloric deficit while getting as much from protein rich foods and trying to fit most of my carbs and fats into my pre and post workout meals.i only do about 10-15 minutes of cardio 2-3 times a week, but i do try and keep my heart rest up during my real workouts by incorporating supersets, and shorter breaks between sets, as I said before I am by no means trying to rush this. I'm curious though, is 15% BF a realistic goal without the use of "added supplements" at 270-280 or am I going to have to make a choice to stay at that weight somewhere in the low to mid 20's or sacrifice some overall size to achieve the desired BF percentage?
 
It is realistic if you put in the work. Diet and training will be the keys to tour success.
I think you need more cardio and you need more of a calorie deficit than small one.
 
It is realistic if you put in the work. Diet and training will be the keys to tour success.
I think you need more cardio and you need more of a calorie deficit than small one.

Well I'm at around a 500 deficit would you suggest maybe taking it down to 800-1000 range?

up to this point ive been lucky and have losing fat but have not lost a whole lot of actual weight(this happened on a not very good diet) which is optimal, what I've heard referred to as "recomp" however I know that won't go on forever, so I've really been doing my damned best to be more mindful of how I eat, what I eat, and when I eat it. Eating healthy isn't isn't a problem for me, but before if I didn't feel like cooking or didn't have time I would opt for something quick just to get some food in me so now I'm focusing more on having healthy meals prepped and ready to go for when I don't have the time to make something.

as for the cardio, could I make three days a week work if I bumped it up? I would do smaller amounts on different days but I have 3 days off a week that I could actually go in and do my cardio in the morning and go back later and do my real workout. The other days I can't swing that as I take the bus everywhere.
 
So I'm 6'3 315, I'd like to think somewhere between 22-25% body fat. I'm not TOO concerned about aesthetics as I am more concerned with lifting heavy weights, but I DO want to come down a little bit. I don't want a six pack or anything, I'd be happy with just a flat stomach and getting rid of my tits lol. I'm looking to get down to around 280, maybe 270 at the lowest. I've been looking at alot of pictures online and I think 15% BF is around where I would like to be. I'm taking a slow steady approach as I'm trying to lose as much in fat as I can and limit muscle loss because losing the strength I've gained so far is a literal fucking nightmare in my eyes lol.im in a small caloric deficit while getting as much from protein rich foods and trying to fit most of my carbs and fats into my pre and post workout meals.i only do about 10-15 minutes of cardio 2-3 times a week, but i do try and keep my heart rest up during my real workouts by incorporating supersets, and shorter breaks between sets, as I said before I am by no means trying to rush this. I'm curious though, is 15% BF a realistic goal without the use of "added supplements" at 270-280 or am I going to have to make a choice to stay at that weight somewhere in the low to mid 20's or sacrifice some overall size to achieve the desired BF percentage?

Bring it back up..I'll add something.

I would recommend you stay off AAS until you exhausted all option (dieting and training). If strength is your only indicator vs aesthetics. Dropping down to 270-280lb is possible with the correct diet. You can do that within 6 months! Do expect some strength lost as you drop off them lb's! Don't get discourage. Just think, it's the best time to work on your form :)

IMO, I rather increase cardio/time in gym then cutting calories.. I am not a happy camper when I am hungry :).
 
Bring it back up..I'll add something.

I would recommend you stay off AAS until you exhausted all option (dieting and training). If strength is your only indicator vs aesthetics. Dropping down to 270-280lb is possible with the correct diet. You can do that within 6 months! Do expect some strength lost as you drop off them lb's! Don't get discourage. Just think, it's the best time to work on your form :)

IMO, I rather increase cardio/time in gym then cutting calories.. I am not a happy camper when I am hungry :).

Thats the scariest thing is the strength loss, I known I'm still relatively weak in the grand scheme of things, but I'm still very proud with what I've managed to accomplish, but I suppose I'm gonna have to make a little sacrifice.

Yeah man I'm jot a fan of n cutting calories either, I like food ya know? Lol but over the last few weeks I think I've found a pretty good medium where I am at a deficit but not to the point where I'm starving or anything.

Already doing about 2 hours a day in the gym, starting this coming week.im going to start going in early on my days off work (Mon Tues fri) and doing some longer cardio sessions in the morning and going back and doing my real workout later, and I'm gonna try doing some shorter HIIT style cardio after my workouts on Wednesday and Thursday hut idk if that's going to work out because I usually leave it all in the weight room during a workout lol.

Thank you though man, I know In my head I can do it, it's just a mental thing really, it's like making yourself get out of bed early, just have to mentally force myself to do cardio hahaha
 
Hit your morning cardio fasted. And make the HIIT work, shoot for three days a week. You'll like what you start seeing. It'll come off you quick with that protocol, assuming a decent deficit.

The HIIT is extremely effective. Don't need long. Don't have to kill yourself trying to hit tabata either. Just make sure it's max effort, and progress at the pace you are able. It'll improve your performance under the bar a lot too.
 
D-Ballin's right! Try HIIT when your weight lost stalls.. Right now, @315 it's best to keep em low intensity and work your way up (about 2 months in). Would be kinda bad, if you fainted and slip off the treadmill (first, I'll point and laugh then help you up :) )
 
Hey good lookin out guys, I appreciate the tips! @D-Ballin I was going to ask about the fasted cardio as I've definitely heard of it, Elliott Hulse is actually a huge proponent of that for weight loss and I enjoy his videos, however he can be a bit "out there" sometimes so I take everhthing he says with a grain of salt.lol
 
D-Ballin's right! Try HIIT when your weight lost stalls.. Right now, @315 it's best to keep em low intensity and work your way up (about 2 months in). Would be kinda bad, if you fainted and slip off the treadmill (first, I'll point and laugh then help you up :) )

Hey I'd be out of luck at my gym, bunch of old timers there in the morning, they wouldn't be able to help my giant ass up lol
 
Hey good lookin out guys, I appreciate the tips! @D-Ballin I was going to ask about the fasted cardio as I've definitely heard of it, Elliott Hulse is actually a huge proponent of that for weight loss and I enjoy his videos, however he can be a bit "out there" sometimes so I take everhthing he says with a grain of salt.lol

All of us been in your shoes regarding weight gain and understand the struggles! Just remember, you didn't get gain those weight overnight so don't expect an overnight transformation. Keep plugging away and don't give up! Once you reach your idea weight, then add AAS.. Bro, you'll blow the F-up!
 
All of us been in your shoes regarding weight gain and understand the struggles! Just remember, you didn't get gain those weight overnight so don't expect an overnight transformation. Keep plugging away and don't give up! Once you reach your idea weight, then add AAS.. Bro, you'll blow the F-up!

Yeah I feel you brother, I know it's gonna take some time, I've come a long way already but I know I still have a long road ahead of me, but shit it's not like I have anything better to be doing lol. Thanks for the advice, I'd usually just ask my pops about workout related stuff but I dont think he really understands cutting because he's always just had this ridiculous metabolism, on top of hyperthyroidism, so he's never had to do cardio or watch what he eats lol. He's damn lucky imo haha.
 
Continue your cardio and eating in a calorie deficit but keep track of your heavy compound lifts. I assume you're natural so it's crucial you try and maintain as much strength as possible. You may lose some strength but try and keep track of your bench, squat and deadlift. If you seem to be getting weaker and weaker take more rest days and workout 3-4 days a week and hydrate well too. Cutting PROPERLY is hard work but the end result will be worth it.

Ken
 
Continue your cardio and eating in a calorie deficit but keep track of your heavy compound lifts. I assume you're natural so it's crucial you try and maintain as much strength as possible. You may lose some strength but try and keep track of your bench, squat and deadlift.

I have been natural except for about a month at the very beginning when I used small amounts of test just to Kickstart my body back in to gear, but the past 6-7 months just been going natural. I will admit it that I did start taking some again about a month ago when I started this due to paranoia about losing strength and the muscle I've accumulated while I do this cutting thing, but I think I'm just going to stop it, do my pct for a couple weeks and save what I have on hand due to the recommendations of several others.
 
I have been natural except for about a month at the very beginning when I used small amounts of test just to Kickstart my body back in to gear, but the past 6-7 months just been going natural. I will admit it that I did start taking some again about a month ago when I started this due to paranoia about losing strength and the muscle I've accumulated while I do this cutting thing, but I think I'm just going to stop it, do my pct for a couple weeks and save what I have on hand due to the recommendations of several others.
Had to add more to my recent post ^ lol. But yeah dude make sure even when dieting you try and keep as much strength as possible. I don't believe in this "if you're cutting do loads of stupidly high reps bullshit" espec on compound lifts anyway. Good luck bro
 
Bring it back up..I'll add something.

I would recommend you stay off AAS until you exhausted all option (dieting and training). If strength is your only indicator vs aesthetics. Dropping down to 270-280lb is possible with the correct diet. You can do that within 6 months! Do expect some strength lost as you drop off them lb's! Don't get discourage. Just think, it's the best time to work on your form :)

IMO, I rather increase cardio/time in gym then cutting calories.. I am not a happy camper when I am hungry :).

Yeah this is good advice right here, definitely exhaust all your options first. There's a dude at my gym who is only 22 and is already taking self prescribed trt and his reasoning is because he had no other options. He said he believes he has low test and that's why he's out of shape so he's been "on" for almost 2 years straight and not just test he throws in a bunch of other shit as well like tren, eq, deca, dbol, var, etc. Hearing that shit kind of pisses me the hell off because it shows he's just a lazy bastard, but he's the know it all type so you can't ever get anywhere when you try to reason with him. He also thinks you only have to work out upper body because he says his cardio is enough for legs which is a fucking joke. And btw he's like 5'7" and 170 lbs with that skinny fat look if you know what I mean, skinny arms and legs and fat midsection. This was on my mind because I was recently trying to help him out with a good routine and a solid nutrition plan, because he was quite the talker/bullshitter saying how motivated he was and he would really appreciate it if I could help him out, then I find out he's doing all this stupid shit and after I literally spent hours talking on the phone with him and texting him plans and advice he doesn't show up to the gym to lift and says he decided he wants to do a Jay Cutler routine or some shit. Moral of the story, there's a shit load of bullshitters out there that want the results, but don't want to put in the work. Obviously your not one of those people since you are looking for the best way to reach your goals and like you said you aren't trying to rush it so you know you have to put the time in, I definitely respect you for that.

But yeah man I would just get your nutrition on point, high intensity cardio, and incorporate a lot of full body movements into your lifting routine (squats, deadlifts, power cleans, etc.), but focus mainly on form which means you'll probably have to use very light weight at first (you may already be really strong I'm not sure where you're at), form is key. Sounds weird, but ever since I incorporated a lot of healthy fats into my diet such as fish oil, fermented cod liver oil, avocados, coconut oil, hemp seeds, hemp oil, almond butter, high quality olive oil, whole high quality eggs (that's one thing I don't skimp on, I'm actually building a chicken coop next wknd to house 6 hens), etc I leaned out a lot. I'd say it'd be best to really only get your carbs from vegetables (I eat broccoli at least every other day), potatoes (I mainly use sweet, but I switch it up and get white, red skin, etc every now and then), yogurt/kefir, and oatmeal (I use Bob's Red Mill Scottish oats and add in a little grass fed butter and a very little but of raw honey or high quality maple syrup, but you might not want to add in the extra sugar). Like I said the full body movements will really help burn that fat off just focus on form. And the high intensity cardio such as sprints, suicides, box jumps, jump rope, bear crawls, etc. will really lean you out. The full body movements will really strengthen your core, but I'd also add in things like russian twists, alternating elbows to knees, leg raises, 6 inches, etc. And the last thing is you want to have a solid stretching or yoga type routine everyday, I normally do it first thing in the morning, sometimes I really have to force myself to do it since it's early as hell and I'm half asleep, but trust me it really helps and you will notice a difference. As you know, you get out what you put in, good luck man.
 
Yeah this is good advice right here, definitely exhaust all your options first. There's a dude at my gym who is only 22 and is already taking self prescribed trt and his reasoning is because he had no other options. He said he believes he has low test and that's why he's out of shape so he's been "on" for almost 2 years straight and not just test he throws in a bunch of other shit as well like tren, eq, deca, dbol, var, etc. Hearing that shit kind of pisses me the hell off because it shows he's just a lazy bastard, but he's the know it all type so you can't ever get anywhere when you try to reason with him. He also thinks you only have to work out upper body because he says his cardio is enough for legs which is a fucking joke. And btw he's like 5'7" and 170 lbs with that skinny fat look if you know what I mean, skinny arms and legs and fat midsection. This was on my mind because I was recently trying to help him out with a good routine and a solid nutrition plan, because he was quite the talker/bullshitter saying how motivated he was and he would really appreciate it if I could help him out, then I find out he's doing all this stupid shit and after I literally spent hours talking on the phone with him and texting him plans and advice he doesn't show up to the gym to lift and says he decided he wants to do a Jay Cutler routine or some shit. Moral of the story, there's a shit load of bullshitters out there that want the results, but don't want to put in the work. Obviously your not one of those people since you are looking for the best way to reach your goals and like you said you aren't trying to rush it so you know you have to put the time in, I definitely respect you for that.

But yeah man I would just get your nutrition on point, high intensity cardio, and incorporate a lot of full body movements into your lifting routine (squats, deadlifts, power cleans, etc.), but focus mainly on form which means you'll probably have to use very light weight at first (you may already be really strong I'm not sure where you're at), form is key. Sounds weird, but ever since I incorporated a lot of healthy fats into my diet such as fish oil, fermented cod liver oil, avocados, coconut oil, hemp seeds, hemp oil, almond butter, high quality olive oil, whole high quality eggs (that's one thing I don't skimp on, I'm actually building a chicken coop next wknd to house 6 hens), etc I leaned out a lot. I'd say it'd be best to really only get your carbs from vegetables (I eat broccoli at least every other day), potatoes (I mainly use sweet, but I switch it up and get white, red skin, etc every now and then), yogurt/kefir, and oatmeal (I use Bob's Red Mill Scottish oats and add in a little grass fed butter and a very little but of raw honey or high quality maple syrup, but you might not want to add in the extra sugar). Like I said the full body movements will really help burn that fat off just focus on form. And the high intensity cardio such as sprints, suicides, box jumps, jump rope, bear crawls, etc. will really lean you out. The full body movements will really strengthen your core, but I'd also add in things like russian twists, alternating elbows to knees, leg raises, 6 inches, etc. And the last thing is you want to have a solid stretching or yoga type routine everyday, I normally do it first thing in the morning, sometimes I really have to force myself to do it since it's early as hell and I'm half asleep, but trust me it really helps and you will notice a difference. As you know, you get out what you put in, good luck man.

Whoa thanks for taking the time to write all that down! Yeah km definitely not just looking to take any easy way out, I enjoy working out, it's my me time, my couple hours everyday that I get to go do something I really enjoy.

I understand what you mean about form, and that's one thing that my old man drilled into me ever since I was like 14-15 is to use good form so it's just become habit for me, I always make sure to do nice slow controlled reps, no hurky jerk bullshit like you see some folks doing haha.

as of the start of this year my diet has been getting better and better. Most of my carbs are coming from sweet potatoes, oats, and from time to time I will make pasta cuz I'm italian and I need it every now and then to even survive haha. Pretty much all I'm eating is chicken, tilapia, eggs, oatmeal(with just a touch of honey for flavor) assorted vegetables, beans and every now and then I might have some lean pork or if I'm feeling rich I may get a nice steak.
I will check out some of those exercises you mentioned. I think once the weather gets nicer I am going to be getting alot of my cardio from playing basketball as I think that will make it easier since it's something I enjoy doing, I can do a bunch of fast break full court layup drills at full speed and shit like that hanks again for all the advice!
 
Whoa thanks for taking the time to write all that down! Yeah km definitely not just looking to take any easy way out, I enjoy working out, it's my me time, my couple hours everyday that I get to go do something I really enjoy.

I understand what you mean about form, and that's one thing that my old man drilled into me ever since I was like 14-15 is to use good form so it's just become habit for me, I always make sure to do nice slow controlled reps, no hurky jerk bullshit like you see some folks doing haha.

as of the start of this year my diet has been getting better and better. Most of my carbs are coming from sweet potatoes, oats, and from time to time I will make pasta cuz I'm italian and I need it every now and then to even survive haha. Pretty much all I'm eating is chicken, tilapia, eggs, oatmeal(with just a touch of honey for flavor) assorted vegetables, beans and every now and then I might have some lean pork or if I'm feeling rich I may get a nice steak.
I will check out some of those exercises you mentioned. I think once the weather gets nicer I am going to be getting alot of my cardio from playing basketball as I think that will make it easier since it's something I enjoy doing, I can do a bunch of fast break full court layup drills at full speed and shit like that hanks again for all the advice!

Yeah man no problem and yeah that's the best way to go, just ease into the diet until you're pretty much eating clean all the time, and you know it's understandable to eat a little cheat meal every now and then, you gotta live a little, but just stay focused/motivated and think about your goals, you've got a solid frame so your going to be able to get jacked. It seems like you have a good plan going and yeah the basketball will definitely help with the cardio and like you said the court layup drills will be great to incorporate as well, just have fun with it, you'll achieve your goal in no time, good luck man.
 
My goal was to reach 3 plates on bench before attempting to cut. But after spending time here my mentality toward that changed... I still wanna reach 3 plates, eventually, but I quote "I'd rather look like I bench 400lbs than actually be able to"

I'm not sure who I'm quoting, but i read it here and it stuck with me.


anyway, good luck bro.


Thats the scariest thing is the strength loss, I known I'm still relatively weak in the grand scheme of things, but I'm still very proud with what I've managed to accomplish, but I suppose I'm gonna have to make a little sacrifice.

Yeah man I'm jot a fan of n cutting calories either, I like food ya know? Lol but over the last few weeks I think I've found a pretty good medium where I am at a deficit but not to the point where I'm starving or anything.

Already doing about 2 hours a day in the gym, starting this coming week.im going to start going in early on my days off work (Mon Tues fri) and doing some longer cardio sessions in the morning and going back and doing my real workout later, and I'm gonna try doing some shorter HIIT style cardio after my workouts on Wednesday and Thursday hut idk if that's going to work out because I usually leave it all in the weight room during a workout lol.

Thank you though man, I know In my head I can do it, it's just a mental thing really, it's like making yourself get out of bed early, just have to mentally force myself to do cardio hahaha
 

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