Question for Bill Roberts on short cycles

[cvictorg]

Yes, there are any number of people who intellectualize that it is (supposedly) impossible to inject oil-based steroids with an insulin syringe, so it's no surprise if you've read or been told that it is impossible. For example, regardless that I told Dan Duchaine that I did this all the time, he continued to insist it was impossible.

But they are intellectualizing incorrectly. It is in fact easy.

I could explain this on the principles of hydraulics but really there is no need: the fact is that it works, and the fact is what matters

The injections are indeed IM, pressing the needle straight down same as any IM injection, though you don't want a location with a substantial coat of fat.

By backfill I mean removing the plunger from the insulin syringe and filling it from that end with another, larger syringe and needle. I don't remove the 23 gauge needle but use it to add the oil into the barrel of the insulin syringe.

What gauge insulin needle do you use?

 

[Bad Santa]

What gauge insulin needle do you use?

slin pins are usually 29g

 

[cvictorg]

slin pins are usually 29g

I know that - however some times people use 27 gauge for hcg injections.

 

[Bill Roberts]

I use 29 gauge.

 

[cvictorg]

I use 29 gauge.

What types of AAS do you inject sub Q with a 29 gauge needle?

 

[Bill Roberts]

It is IM (intramuscular) not sub-Q.

 

[cvictorg]

It is IM (intramuscular) not sub-Q.

You said

The injections are indeed IM, pressing the needle straight down same as any IM injection, though you don't want a location with a substantial coat of fat.

My question

Where would you inject with a slin pin so the shot went into the muscle deep enough? The thigh - the deltoid?

 

[Bill Roberts]

Myself, these days I use the thigh, as it is the most convenient. I used to use biceps and many others do that. I only stopped because it's a little awkward not having a hand available to stabilize the injection.

Some do the deltoid, some do triceps. I've even heard of lats being done.

But thigh and biceps are the most common I think. The principal advantage of the thigh is convenience; the main reason for biceps is that with time, the added vegetable oil seems to add perhaps half an inch to size, in a natural-appearing way.

 

[cvictorg]

Myself, these days I use the thigh, as it is the most convenient. I used to use biceps and many others do that. I only stopped because it's a little awkward not having a hand available to stabilize the injection.

Some do the deltoid, some do triceps. I've even heard of lats being done.

But thigh and biceps are the most common I think. The principal advantage of the thigh is convenience; the main reason for biceps is that with time, the added vegetable oil seems to add perhaps half an inch to size, in a natural-appearing way.

Do you have to warm up the AAS before transferring it from the bigger gauge syringe to the slin pin - Also - 4 injections or more per week would be possible y rotating among the various body parts.

 

[Bill Roberts]

No, I always do it at room temperature.

Actually, with the slender needle and only 1 mL of injection volume, rather than for example the thigh being one site, or the biceps being one or two sites, each provides a large number of possible sites. Even a half inch away is effectively a different site.

 

[cvictorg]

No, I always do it at room temperature.

Actually, with the slender needle and only 1 mL of injection volume, rather than for example the thigh being one site, or the biceps being one or two sites, each provides a large number of possible sites. Even a half inch away is effectively a different site.

Is there a problem with the dispersion of the AAS due to the fact that the injection is not going in as deep as it would be with a longer needle

Could you use a BD Tuberculin Syringe with Detachable Needle, Slip Tip 1 mL, 27 G x 1/2 in. - that way you could load the AAS directly into the syringe - attach the 27 gauge needle and inject -

http://www.bd.com/hypodermic/pdf/BD_Hypo_Catalog.pdf