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Not jumping in to defend him, and I’d probably feel differently if I was one of the ones caught up in this, but after giving it some thought, the way I look at it is this:

Despite the arms length sanitized way we purchase these things, they’re still illicit, and not that much different than buying from a drug dealer.

If you went to a street corner, hand over a few hundred dollars, and just as the dealer was about to hand you the product the cops come rushing over, you both run off, the money and goods are dropped and of course the cops grab it.

A year later you see him again.

Does he owe you?
When said drug dealer tells you he will repay you , then yes he owes you
 
When said drug dealer tells you he will repay you , then yes he owes you

Yeah I know what he said, and I’m hopeful for those who ended up getting shorted it works out. I’m just reminding myself this “isn’t Amazon” and how I would manage my expectations if I were waiting.

If compensation comes through, that’s above and beyond what would reasonably be expected in these types of situations (see SSA), and would be a huge feather in QSCs reputational cap.
 
Yeah I know what he said, and I’m hopeful for those who ended up getting shorted it works out. I’m just reminding myself this “isn’t Amazon” and how I would manage my expectations if I were waiting.

If compensation comes through, that’s above and beyond what would reasonably be expected in these types of situations (see SSA), and would be a huge feather in QSCs reputational cap.
It will never come through stop being nieve. Especially when you guys defend him lol
 
Not jumping in to defend him, and I’d probably feel differently if I was one of the ones caught up in this, but after giving it some thought, the way I look at it is this:

Despite the arms length sanitized way we purchase these things, they’re still illicit, and not that much different than buying from a drug dealer.

If you went to a street corner, hand over a few hundred dollars, and just as the dealer was about to hand you the product the cops come rushing over, you both run off, the money and goods are dropped and of course the cops grab it.

A year later you see him again.

Does he owe you?
Depends on whether the drug dealer actually dropped the cash or got away with it. If they dropped the cash, there is no reason, ever, to expect your money back.
 
Depends on whether the drug dealer actually dropped the cash or got away with it. If they dropped the cash, there is no reason, ever, to expect your money back.

Yeah, we’ll never know, let’s be honest. But everything in the way Tracy’s been operating says “starting from scratch” to me. (Except for the remnant stock), not “plenty of operating capital”.
 
Yeah, we’ll never know, let’s be honest. But everything in the way Tracy’s been operating says “starting from scratch” to me. (Except for the remnant stock), not “plenty of operating capital”.
Dont forget hes still using qsc name so its not a new start up....
 
Drug dealer said he'd repay......
I have also made promises I couldn't keep up because I didn't know how they were impossible. You can choose to judge a person for not keeping a silly promise, because it would have benefitted you at the expense of them even when you know it is not the right thing. In my case I happily let them think I didn't keep my word, didn't affect me in the future though, for obvious reasons.
Yeah, we’ll never know, let’s be honest. But everything in the way Tracy’s been operating says “starting from scratch” to me. (Except for the remnant stock), not “plenty of operating capital”.
Help me remember, did he say he would work and get the money back, or was it some server that they couldn't access as LE was watching it, and thus couldn't check which customers were owed and how much?
 
I have also made promises I couldn't keep up because I didn't know how they were impossible. You can choose to judge a person for not keeping a silly promise, because it would have benefitted you at the expense of them even when you know it is not the right thing. In my case I happily let them think I didn't keep my word, didn't affect me in the future though, for obvious reasons.

Help me remember, did he say he would work and get the money back, or was it some server that they couldn't access as LE was watching it, and thus couldn't check which customers were owed and how much?
Silly promise???? He said it so he could start making sales again without getting blasted. Then changed his story to owner is the 1 that has to repay, washing his hands of it. Look you want to order then giv er but no way in hell he didnt do some greasy shit along the way lol
 
Silly promise???? He said it so he could start making sales again without getting blasted. Then changed his story to owner is the 1 that has to repay, washing his hands of it. Look you want to order then giv er but no way in hell he didnt do some greasy shit along the way lol
Not trying to condone Tracy, and if it was just a play to get people to buy again, then so be it, but my argument still stands - if Tracy has that money, he should pay back. If not, the expectation is silly, even if they promised to.
 
Not trying to condone Tracy, and if it was just a play to get people to buy again, then so be it, but my argument still stands - if Tracy has that money, he should pay back. If not, the expectation is silly, even if they promised to.
What's your argument? He shouldn't be held accountable if he doesn't have $ ?? But if he does he should be?? World doesn't work like that.
 
What's your argument? He shouldn't be held accountable if he doesn't have $ ?? But if he does he should be?? World doesn't work like that.
Yes. If he has your money you deserve to get it back. If he lost the money during the bust, then let me tell you how the world works, you ain't getting shit! And most of the times even in the scenario where a drug dealer does have the money, you won't get it, not that I agree with that.
 
Yes. If he has your money you deserve to get it back. If he lost the money during the bust, then let me tell you how the world works, you ain't getting shit! And most of the times even in the scenario where a drug dealer does have the money, you won't get it, not that I agree with that.
I already said he isnt paying anyone back whether u think u has money or not.
 
If an order is causing so much damn internal strife that a year later it's still on your mind, maybe different life and financial decisions should have been made.
 
Not jumping in to defend him, and I’d probably feel differently if I was one of the ones caught up in this, but after giving it some thought, the way I look at it is this:
im expecting to get paid back, but not in the near future, tracy owes me money and im commenting in this thread unbiased to that because if i like the other retards sabotage his rebuild up ill never see my money if he is speaking the truth.

he could also make few millions again take them and disappear on a farm like he said then we will shit on his thread
 
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