Ghoul
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We know Pharma is, how would we know that with UGL?
MESO-Rx
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We know Pharma is, how would we know that with UGL?
Greatwhite69
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That comes down to trusted supplier
Too bad nobody wants to help... is it all WWB now?
Ghoul
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WWB, GGB, and HYB have taken the positions of SSA and QSC here. QSC resurrected is on Telegram and Discord now.
white couch
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Any chance we might see some test e or cyp soon for that nice 130$ per kit like before?
Ghoul
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You can get it for less than that from the other 3 letter vendors now, from the China warehouse anyway.
QSC had $35 kits this time last year
niqTM
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I just got word this morning that the 2 that are most known to people right now of are out of stock unless you have other ones you may know of?
Ghoul
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No sorry those are all I’m aware of.
niqTM
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Was nice while it lasted.
ineffectual
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The Olympics are almost over. No worries.
T&H
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3 plus years ago, I had lumps in my cheeks pop up. Both sides were noticably larger but one moreso, just like chipmunk cheeks. At that time and probably years before,I used 8 to 10iu HGH consistently with lower periods in that frame. It was embarrassing and I was worried it was cancerous tumors or something.
After many specialist visits, I had bi-lateral bucal fat pad surgery to remove the excess fat that somehow grew from the fat pad into the cheek area. Not only did the doctor say it was rare, no one I knew ever heard of it. I quit anything over 5iu. Not blaming the high dose HGH but considering what HGH can do, better safe than sorry.
After many specialist visits, I had bi-lateral bucal fat pad surgery to remove the excess fat that somehow grew from the fat pad into the cheek area. Not only did the doctor say it was rare, no one I knew ever heard of it. I quit anything over 5iu. Not blaming the high dose HGH but considering what HGH can do, better safe than sorry.
Ghoul
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Thanks for sharing that. All we ever hear about the risky hobby we’re in is “I did X, and it was fine”. Even if the rest of the world has a mountain of evidence about risks. Any problem that takes more than a day to develop, never mind years, is unlikely to be connected with the original source, and even if it is, unlikely to make it back here.
Heard a doc who treats BBs say that an unusual number of his patients got weird, rare tumors. These things happen, and there’s ZERO chance of connecting them back to rHGH. He said they still suspected it and suffered with a heavy burden of guilt that they probably caused it (whether they did or didn’t, it’ll never be known).
We know more now, have safety data from people on rHGH for adult GH deficiency for years, HIV cachexia patients etc, so we know physiologic levels don’t seem to increase cancer risks. Above that? Who knows. “The dose makes the poison” as they say.
Especially now that so many are running GH continuously now, for those looking for long term safety, it’s best to let IGF-1 (or better the Z score that comes with ) determine what a safe dose is. That’s what endocrinologists use, not IU. Don’t exceed a Z score of 3. 2 is the upper limit of “normal”, but up to 3 doesn’t appear to cause problems.
Some will need 5iu just to get to “low average” IGF, and others will have crazy high, dangerous IGF with just 2iu.
So get it checked, before you start if possible for a clean baseline. It’s a cheap test in the US, under $50.
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nighthawkmuscle
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Transfer to a bigger vial and use 8.5ml bac. 0 sting, I mean none at all and it’s 10 units for 1mg. Easy as.
niqTM
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What is the best time to get your IGF/z-score tested?
Right after injection?
Next morning after nightly injection?
24 hours after injection?
Ghoul
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Once you’ve been on a stable dose for a few weeks, it doesn’t matter much. Half life is so long the level doesn't vary very much throughout the day.
It’s useful to be consistant though, so you’re comparing apples to apples by getting each test around the same time of day (presuming that’s the same amount of time post injection).
In theory, fasted for 4 hours, halfway between injections is the “ideal”, but it’s not necessary, and most rHGH patients are told to get it whenever.
Ghoul
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If you want a complete picture of IGF-1 getting binding proteins tested takes it to the next level and much more significant than timing:
Once you test igfbp1 if you get a poor score what kind of actionable things can you do to improve it. Besides the obvious ones that go along with your post, like reduce stress, not fast, eat in a surplus?If you want a complete picture of IGF-1 getting binding proteins tested takes it to the next level and much more significant than timing:
Ghoul
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You’ve got to go down the list and address anything contributing to high IGFBP-1.
If inflammation is high, HS-CRP, address the infection or whatever’s causing it. If cholesterol is high, that’s often it and a statin can bring systemic inflammation down dramatically. We were talking about this recently, Pitavastatin 4mg can drop HS-CRP by 50%.
If it’s low insulin levels (which can be difficult to establish in a non diabetic) , a GLP will increase peak insulin post meal and “extinguish” a lot of IGFBP-1 production, bringing levels down. It’ll also lower systemic inflammation.
Verify free t3 annd t4 are mid range. Hypo or hyper thyroids boost igfbp1 .
There are esoteric causes but I haven’t dug into them.(adrenal/cortisol). It’s usually food/insulin too low, or inflammation.
Sometimes lowering the rHGH dose can reduce IGFBP-1 more than IGF-1 drops, increasing bioactive IGF-1, or increasing rHGH can raise IGF-1 while IGFBP-1 stays the same, increasing bioactive IGF-1 (but this method of “busting through” high IGFBP-1 is can cause strong side effects.
Make sure all test results are in nmol units, and you can calculate free IGF-1 (approx) this way:
IGF-1 ÷ (1 + 0.25×IGFBP1 + 0.15×IGFBP3) = Free IGF-1
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