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Pharma is pouring Billions, with a B into turning China into a legit GLP drug production powerhouse. To serve a market expected to reach a value of trillions a year.

I have my doubts about UGL GLP producers being permitted to compete with an industry that will fill Chinese government coffers for decades to come. The authorities in China are going to be pharma's partners in this lucrative business, and UGL weight loss drug making labs are going to be their common enemy.

Those who intend to maintain their progress on a maintenance dose, or are just starting, would be wise to make sure they have a good supply on hand at all times to ride out interruptions, and if you qualify, get a prescription even if you don't fill it. Once you drop below the qualifying BMI of 27, you'll have a hard time getting a doc to write a new prescription.

I doubt we'll see any further price reductions in this environment. If anything, it could very well be the opposite.

Being prepared for the worst is the wise move here, unless you're prepared to stop cold turkey and deal with the rebound.
 
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This is bad advice... tou are basically saying... hey stay fat until there is a better easier option not to be.. lol .. I lost a ton of fat and gained muscle mass while in a glp1.
This just shows you how people view at these drugs like they are magic pills, it’s the same mentality the ignorant public look at steroids inject the compound and boom you are immediately Ronnie Coleman lol.

You will not look like a prisoner of war once you take glp1. This also shows that some people here do not really lift weights, no offense but this is a forum based on health and longevity, guess what promotes those two things, lifting weights and cardio.
 
This just shows you how people view at these drugs like they are magic pills, it’s the same mentality the ignorant public look at steroids inject the compound and boom you are immediately Ronnie Coleman lol.

You will not look like a prisoner of war once you take glp1. This also shows that some people here do not really lift weights, no offense but this is a forum based on health and longevity, guess what promotes those two things, lifting weights and cardio.
Dang... you just had to remind me that I've been skipping my cardio...which is so important!!
 
This is bad advice... tou are basically saying... hey stay fat until there is a better easier option not to be.. lol .. I lost a ton of fat and gained muscle mass while in a glp1.
I don't like to bore people with research gibberish, and I stated that I wont drag the thread on an unnecessary tandem, that is why I didn't want to expand further. Surely you of all people know that there's a difference between dieting and shredding. There are way more effective drugs you can use to shred.
We can start doing back and forth about you gaining loads of muscle on GLP-1s but I can guarantee you, there is a lot more research looking at more effective lean body mass sparing drugs. Why do you think money is being poured into Brimagrumab and Pemvidutide?
I can bet my bottom dollar during this your muscle gain you were taking other things beside Sema or Tirz. Sema is notorious for causing Sarcopenia in a decent amount of people and there is an ongoing study to research the link.

Buy hey you gained muscle, so I guess those people that suffered sarcopenia have defective genes and Big pharma is wasting money..
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I am 40lbs lighter from a year ago with approximately the same lean mass according to my last dexa scan. Pretty flat at the moment relative to my baseline, so I may actually be up by a few pounds.

GLP-1 drugs cause a caloric deficit. If one wants to preserve LBM in a deficit, one has to prioritize protein intake and resistance training. I've not seen any drugs in the pipeline with an anabolic or anti-catabolic effect. Unlike the general population however, I'm sure most of us can think of other compounds that might work for that.
Well, you are not looking enough. I would be kicked off this thread if I posted at least 15 drugs in the pipeline (phase 1, 2), ranging from small molecules to GLPS to even mitochondrial uncouplers.
There's a lot of going on in the field of 'fat people drugs.' A lot has been going on. Drugs you see now have been 8-9 years in the making. So a lot of things will happen over the next 8-9 years. All irrelevant to how we source from QSC of course
 
So many excuses. You just keep ignoring the past 40 years of fundamental research on how people became so fat and morbidly obese. I will make it quick: It's no type of appetite dysfunction rooted in biology, it's people being lazy and poor food choices - they rather buy industrial processed food, fast food, convenient food. They got no time or are too lazy to cook or make themself a healthy meal. Overall the modern civilisation is a lot less active.


Bullshit. You don't know anything about me, so stop making things up. This is a very poor attempt making your arguments look better than they are.


So you literally made a wall of text just to agree with what I said with your last paragraph. What a clown... You are not worth the time boy.
The people who told you something are going to tell you another thing.
The less you beat your chest about nutritional epidemiology the less likely you'll look ignorant over the next decade.
So many things are being studies and rediscovered between weight, food and their relationship with human health. Even the almighty BMI is being reassessed as a tool to correlate with health and longevity.
Bold statements like "It's no appetite dysfunction, people got lazy" Is a funny take, considering that there was little drug addiction in medieval times too. If you change the kind of food you subsist on, are you 100% confident that these new molecules don't affect the brain? The human body is complex, and we will continue to discover new things about it. 40 years of knowledge can be rendered irrelevant by 2or 3 discoveries. I mean Ancel keys 7 countries study was Nutrition epi canon-law, which many of our Docs (especially cardiovascular health ones) based their advice on. This canon stood for the better part of 3 decades. Remember how too many eggs were bad for you when you were growing up or in your younger days?
What happened to that?
Phew. Okay enough. back to normal programming...
 
I don't like to bore people with research gibberish, and I stated that I wont drag the thread on an unnecessary tandem, that is why I didn't want to expand further. Surely you of all people know that there's a difference between dieting and shredding. There are way more effective drugs you can use to shred.
We can start doing back and forth about you gaining loads of muscle on GLP-1s but I can guarantee you, there is a lot more research looking at more effective lean body mass sparing drugs. Why do you think money is being poured into Brimagrumab and Pemvidutide?
I can bet my bottom dollar during this your muscle gain you were taking other things beside Sema or Tirz. Sema is notorious for causing Sarcopenia in a decent amount of people and there is an ongoing study to research the link.

Buy hey you gained muscle, so I guess those people that suffered sarcopenia have defective genes and Big pharma is wasting money..
;)
Most importantly all I really care about is what are you doing with all of this knowledge.. Are you putting it to good use?? What are your goals? What has your progress been?? Where do you want to be in 6 Months.. a year?? What was your starting point??
 
Most importantly all I really care about is what are you doing with all of this knowledge.. Are you putting it to good use?? What are your goals? What has your progress been?? Where do you want to be in 6 Months.. a year?? What was your starting point??
Well, Let's just say I am both contributing to the knowledge base employment wise, and also benefiting from mechanisms that would make my employers cross.. but they refused to give me perfect health insurance so I guess were even.
 
If you want to use GLP-1s to shred it's best to wait till the ones designed to spare lean mass become widely available. These ones are meant to create a nutritional deficit while raising metabolism. The bodyweight loss is includes fat and lean body weight.

Hopefully by now most people here are aware about resistance training, gear, diet, and sleep,,, so LBM loss should be minimized.
 
Hopefully by now most people here are aware about resistance training, gear, diet, and sleep,,, so LBM loss should be minimized.
True, but everything is nuanced. As there is research still ongoing with theories around there being Glp receptors in muscle and skin that Sema triggers causing muscle loss and hair loss. On the other side of this, is a chinese study claiming Sema preserved lean mass. So, basically we don't know enough. Just that I've seen some prelim things pointing to inevitable muscle loss in some individuals. My statement was more of a 'caution' than a 'warning', but it's hard to type in nuance, especially when brevity is also a target
 
Hopefully by now most people here are aware about resistance training, gear, diet, and sleep,,, so LBM loss should be minimized.
We have to accept the fact now that the majority of new comers here at Meso are non lifters and some are even couch potatoes just sourcing this drugs for appetite suppression. Thus, when we post we have to assume there are people reading our messages who don’t exercise or even do cardio so we have to adjust accordingly.

Gone were the days where 90% if not everyone here are gym rats and the rest are competitors.

There’s nothing wrong with that, however, to those who just came here, please understand too that lots of us here would assume that you follow the bodybuilding lifestyle since you came into a steroid harm reduction forum not a weight watcher site.

Thanks for reading lol.
 
So many excuses. You just keep ignoring the past 40 years of fundamental research on how people became so fat and morbidly obese. I will make it quick: It's no type of appetite dysfunction rooted in biology, it's people being lazy and poor food choices - they rather buy industrial processed food, fast food, convenient food. They got no time or are too lazy to cook or make themself a healthy meal. Overall the modern civilisation is a lot less active.


Bullshit. You don't know anything about me, so stop making things up. This is a very poor attempt making your arguments look better than they are.


So you literally made a wall of text just to agree with what I said with your last paragraph. What a clown... You are not worth the time boy.

There's no "40 years of research" demonstrating that suddenly hundreds of millions of people became "lazy" and inferior to the paragons of virtue like yourself. You really want to go head to head on research you knuckle dragging juicehead? You'd better shut your profile down because I've already collected the links to a dozen compounds you admittedly use to compensate for the inferior line of genetics some low value, low iq failure of a man managed to infect your (no doubt drunken) mother with.

There was a change in the food supply. but you equate normal people eating what was made widely available and affordable to them, even as children, with being sub human trash devoid of virtue,

You hypocritical piece of crap. Shooting steroids and GLPs and HGH while sitting in your Nazi perch looking down in judgment.

Let's go. Let's see your "research" demonstrating this is about the moral failings of, oddly, only recent humans, and not largely the product of evolution optimizing human calorie regulation to deal with perpetual food scarcity, a situation alleviated only in the last few generations. Or how this "laziness" has spread from one region to another, coincidentally, as the food supply, which is not in the control of individuals, became inundated with liquid sugars and other processed ingredients that made food accessible and affordable to an ever growing population.

Tell us how a nutrient regulation system, second only in behavioral significance for survival to breathing, that involves more neurons in the gut than are present in the brain doesn't exert a potent influence of human behavior, and that you uniquely, could simply will yourself to not eat in the presence of food regardless of how intense your appetite became.

So put down your syringes, that vial of testosterone and your Chinese peptides, put off your trip to the store where you only choose the purest, finest organic whole foods, unlike the segment of lesser humans who eat what they can afford, have time to prepare while trying to survive, and is readily available to them and let's see the research backing your claims.

Be quick about it, so I can get on with the business of humiliating you point by point.
 
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As we say where I'm from; Whatever it is you are looking for, I don't believe I have it.
I would like to beleive that you do have "IT". You just need motivation to dig deep and find it! In all seriousness i would like to encourage you to set yourself some tough but realistic attainable goals. Share them with someone positive and likeminded that will help you hold yourself accountable to the steps and standards you set for yourself.Honestly i would like to see you succeed. If i can help any at all just send me a PM. I can explain to you how i went from fat fuZk to fairly fit in the last 3 years. I will help in any way i can big dawg!
Peace
 
We have to accept the fact now that the majority of new comers here at Meso are non lifters and some are even couch potatoes just sourcing this drugs for appetite suppression. Thus, when we post we have to assume there are people reading our messages who don’t exercise or even do cardio so we have to adjust accordingly.

Gone were the days where 90% if not everyone here are gym rats and the rest are competitors.

There’s nothing wrong with that, however, to those who just came here, please understand too that lots of us here would assume that you follow the bodybuilding lifestyle since you came into a steroid harm reduction forum not a weight watcher site.

Thanks for reading lol.
Amennnnnn !!!!!
 
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