Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[Dirthand]

That's it they key issue with the Chinese vendors right now. The cap colors mean nothing and they still have not implemented a way to identify different batches. The value is incredible but quality assurance is not a priority and the ability to identify problematic batches as a customer is nearly impossible. This is something Tracy had previously committed to addressing with distinct batch numbers. Not sure if this was shelved but this is something we should all be asking for and rewarding the vendors for providing.

I'm just saying something stinks.. either with qsc qc or the testing group.. there was one guy come on here and said 1 of the samples came from him....OK who was the other joe. Is he trustworthy?,, ti many variables in thus one. I'm definently looking forward to the more testing of more vials..either way imma continue to do a vial a day of the 10iu qsc kit of the 40 that I have a keep pushing.lol
Peace

 

[Raptor1]

So who else gets ghosted by QSC ?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

So who else gets ghosted by QSC ?

Never have.. I also don't annoy them. Most of our communication is money and order submission

 

[Scruf]

But if the vials were sent from two different sources then we can't retroactively confirm whether or not there was different amounts of powder per vial, right?

Following this because I just paid for a 24iu kit.

It may be worth sending in some additional vials for testing. I am willing to help if we want to coordinate additional testing.

 

[Scruf]

So who else gets ghosted by QSC ?

I got Ghosted by QSC for a few days after I complained (privately) about the Christmas sale. QSC announced the sale the day after I paid for an order. They got back to me after a few days.

 

[Scruf]

I'm just saying something stinks.. either with qsc qc or the testing group.. there was one guy come on here and said 1 of the samples came from him....OK who was the other joe. Is he trustworthy?,, ti many variables in thus one. I'm definently looking forward to the more testing of more vials..either way imma continue to do a vial a day of the 10iu qsc kit of the 40 that I have a keep pushing.lol
Peace

I am about to send in a 10iu vial for testing. Maybe they are from the same batch.

 

[Dirthand]

I am about to send in a 10iu vial for testing. Maybe they are from the same batch.

That's cool man.. I got 10 kits from domestic wh and 10 on the way from Pre-order. Send me a message if you want and I will pitch in some on The test.. I just sent of some oil samples yesterday from this vendor and another I will post when I get results.

 

[peptidewanter]

I'm looking g at the difference in purity mainly! Sure there could be variances on powder per vial but 93% and 98% purity variances from The same batch???

It may be worth sending in some additional vials for testing. I am willing to help if we want to coordinate additional testing.

Ya I can throw down for testing if we get a few chads in

 

[Dirthand]

Also I am getting labs drawn on Monday so we shall see what my igf1 levels are on a vial a day of qsc 10iu vial. Last time I had it check I was at 300 on 4.5iu a day it was a different vendor and I had been in a severe caloric deficit

 

[MadaFacor]

@Scruf @peptidewanter @dirthand looks like you have the beginnings of your own testing group. I am sure there are many others that would get behind an organized effort to start testing these vendors through a group effort.

 

[PoizenNoVA]

I'm just saying something stinks.. either with qsc qc or the testing group.. there was one guy come on here and said 1 of the samples came from him....OK who was the other joe. Is he trustworthy?,, ti many variables in thus one. I'm definently looking forward to the more testing of more vials..either way imma continue to do a vial a day of the 10iu qsc kit of the 40 that I have a keep pushing.lol
Peace

Yes, the vial that tested well was from one of my ten 24iu kits. The other person is a she, and I have no reason to doubt her. I understand your skepticism, but our motives for testing are to confirm quantity and purity of the products we purchase. All of us in this test group bought from QSC during the new years promo. We are confused with the results and wondering if somehow a 15iu kit was sent instead. Follow up testing will be more thorough.

 

[Dirthand]

Yes, the vial that tested well was from one of my ten 24iu kits. The other person is a she, and I have no reason to doubt her. I understand your skepticism, but our motives for testing are to confirm quantity and purity of the products we purchase. All of us in this test group bought from QSC during the new years promo. We are confused with the results and wondering if somehow a 15iu kit was sent instead. Follow up testing will be more thorough.

Right and I think what yall are doing is a great thing... definantly not pointing fingers have just been thinking out loud.

 

[Dirthand]

@Scruf @peptidewanter @dirthand looks like you have the beginnings of your own testing group. I am sure there are many others that would get behind an organized effort to start testing these vendors through a group effort.

I belive this is just part of what messo is about and how it has always been.. I think....i am a new user.

 

[Dirthand]

Also I would like to say I offered because @scruff is kinda a mentor of sorts and I trust what he says and says he is going to do.. for the most part.

 

[AnTabolic73]

So the issue boils down to either qsc sent out a 15iu as 24iu kit, or the tester sent out a 15iu vial as a 24iu vial?

Were these vials from the same kit? Did the tester even have access to 15iu vials?

I don't see the 93% purity as a huge issue, qsc advertises the 15iu kits as having 95% purity.

But if a 15iu vial ended up in a 24iu kit that's a problem. If a 15iu kit got sent out in place of a 24iu kit, that'd be an issue.

Human error mainly. No one is questioning that qsc has access to 24iu kits.


So while there's concerns as to who sent the product for testing, I'm not sure if that's the main issue here. Once upon a time it wasn't trusted for sources to send their own products to be tested, cuz it could set up a bait and switch. Not so much anymore, I dunno why exactly.

I get @Qingdao Sigma Chemicals not trusting the testing. Like i said, i dont see the test as an issue. It could very well be human error, which wouldn't be impossible, it happens.

Human error is much more palatable than, for e.g., selling a 15iu kit for the price of a 24iu kit. Just my opinion. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[phenominal34]

Never have.. I also don't annoy them. Most of our communication is money and order submission

This !!!!!!

Too many complainers, questions, when, where, how, ….. place order and wait it’s not difficult.

 

[Raptor1]

Never have.. I also don't annoy them. Most of our communication is money and order submission

Oh i get it brother. They ( she / he / tracy / whoever that day ) love to point out when they think you have messaged them to much. lololol.
But to be clear, I make very regular orders with them. And this ghosting is actually over trying to make more orders. lmao.
I just think something has changed with them - their service is not what it once was at all.

I wont get into the "lost" raw order they claim was delivered that I had to write off. Plus the new one that still hasnt arrived ( 23 days now ).

Just letting the word know with these first few messages here. At some point I may need to post more on this and provide all the ample proof and full conversations - but I am hoping they come through in the end.

 

[nidnoy]

Think a little bit. How many big sales did these guys do in the last few months? At least two, maybe three, I can’t remember. It’s obvious have those sales so close together has taken a toll on things. It is likely that the volume was a bit too much, then Chinese new year. Timing is horrible. Probably the best thing for everyone is that many of us decide we don’t like it and go elsewhere. Then qsc gets back to a sustainable volume, and those of us who are turned off by this happily exercise their right to buy somewhere else. And for those of us who stay, this will die down and back to business as usual.

Think back, how many times have you seen big sales happen from vendors and problems did not arise?, communication goes south, packs move slow, mistakes in orders, etc, etc. This shouldn’t be surprising, we all should have expected when we ordered over the last 3-4 months, and likely for another month or two. Clean up after these sales and the holiday will take a bit of time.

All of the above is just a guess by a random person no one’s knows. Not bashing or excusing qsc or any of us, so take it for what it’s worth, this and $20 will get you a cup of coffee haha!

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

I am disappointed with this response.

I think you are missing my point about these testing groups.
It starts with a good and noble idea, it helps the community, but also the seller to improve his quality and it's free advertising for the seller who offers good quality.
Most of testing done by that group for QSC were very good.
What happened is that a bunch of members always destroy the reputation of the testing groups, which make them hard to trust.
Same thing happened to the french group in the past. It only takes one rotten fish to dirty the whole bucket. It makes the donners questionnable, the testing questionnable.

Unfortunately several members of this community have shown their bad faith and hatred towards QSC and I have witnessed this since when I joined the retatrutide discord group before leaving it.
These are the same redditors who migrated to discord servers, when Reddit banned the tirzepatide subreddits one after one.

From the moment when I saw how they encouraged each other to scam the company, the way they talk about us even that they order from us, and the way they decided to bash me for several weeks on every single subreddit that talks about peptides, when I decided to leave the retatrutide group just because I didn't agree with their +99% garantee BS, thinking that it would sully our reputation, at that moment you realize that these immature people are capable of doing anything to sabotage you, so sending a sample that is not ours, that would not shock me, just sending two vials by two different donors and putting them in the same test for me is quite shocking in their testing process.

And what's more shocking is when you see two results different in quantity and purity, and you don't question the donor or the test, but you question the source who spent two years here offering GH without a single bad test , supplying the majority of EU, US and Canadian labs, with possibly more than 50 GH tests that I've seen, but you prefer to believe the unknown "she". If your logic makes sense to you, I don't really mind if my answer disappoints you.

 

[peptidewanter]

I think you are missing my point about these testing groups.
It starts with a good and noble idea, it helps the community, but also the seller to improve his quality and it's free advertising for the seller who offers good quality.
Most of testing done by that group for QSC were very good.
What happened is that a bunch of members always destroy the reputation of the testing groups, which make them hard to trust.
Same thing happened to the french group in the past. It only takes one rotten fish to dirty the whole bucket. It makes the donners questionnable, the testing questionnable.

Unfortunately several members of this community have shown their bad faith and hatred towards QSC and I have witnessed this since when I joined the retatrutide discord group before leaving it.
These are the same redditors who migrated to discord servers, when Reddit banned the tirzepatide subreddits one after one.

From the moment when I saw how they encouraged each other to scam the company, the way they talk about us even that they order from us, and the way they decided to bash me for several weeks on every single subreddit that talks about peptides, when I decided to leave the retatrutide group just because I didn't agree with their +99% garantee BS, thinking that it would sully our reputation, at that moment you realize that these immature people are capable of doing anything to sabotage you, so sending a sample that is not ours, that would not shock me, just sending two vials by two different donors and putting them in the same test for me is quite shocking in their testing process.

And what's more shocking is when you see two results different in quantity and purity, and you don't question the donor or the test, but you question the source who spent two years here offering GH without a single bad test , supplying the majority of EU, US and Canadian labs, with possibly more than 50 GH tests that I've seen, but you prefer to believe the unknown "she". If your logic makes sense to you, I don't really mind if my answer disappoints you.

The last part of this makes a lot of sense.

I agree with the last paragraph 100%.