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I usually use IM for later in the day post workout with lots of carbs or possibly like 1iu IM pre fasted cardio with hgh and carnitine (not a great feeling a lot of times definitely not for beginner) but it works really well for fatloss
 
I’ve run apidra and the Walmart R IM, Same intra workout, same results.
I've never seen a difference honestly with hgh. The one thing is if you're taking hgh preworkout subq seems to be better with your pre workout meal and IM or IV better for 20(before the warm up) - immediately before. I don't think the other times like morning or bedtime makes a difference in anything. Some people say you get more localized igf 1 from IM but I think that's bullshit if the liver produces most of your igf1 the hgh still has to go there so idk . Not a lot of studies on the ped side of growth hormone just by people like us and coaches with experience right

The old bodybuilding mantra, "do as much GH as you can afford," is relevant again.

Dosing 5 minutes or 5 hours earlier (minutiae), vs 4 or 20 IU hGH/d?
 
The old bodybuilding mantra, "do as much GH as you can afford," is relevant again.

Dosing 5 minutes or 5 hours earlier (minutiae), vs 4 or 20 IU hGH/d?
I dosed apidra as I was walking in the gym. Walmart was dosed prior to leaving for the gym(20 minutes). You wanted anecdotes. However, I didn’t pull numbers out of my ass. Listen to the John Jewett podcast with Alex Kikel, he goes into it in pretty good detail.
 
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I dosed apidra as I was walking in the gym. Walmart was dosed prior to leaving for the gym(20 minutes). You wanted anecdotes. However, I didn’t pull numbers out of my ass. Listen to the John Jewett podcast with Alex Kikel, he goes into it in pretty good detail.
Alex also says dosing the Walmart insulin immediately pre workout works too because the heat and extra blood flow from activity makes it peak faster.
 
Alex also says dosing the Walmart insulin immediately pre workout works too because the heat and extra blood flow from activity makes it peak faster.
Maybe so, but as far as I'm aware no successful bodybuilders use R insulin regularly. It's usually used by those new to insulin. Then they eventually move to something like Humalog.
 
Maybe so, but as far as I'm aware no successful bodybuilders use R insulin regularly. It's usually used by those new to insulin. Then they eventually move to something like Humalog.
I think you have it backwards my guy. No one new to insulin, uses R insulin. If you do, you're retarded
 
Maybe so, but as far as I'm aware no successful bodybuilders use R insulin regularly. It's usually used by those new to insulin. Then they eventually move to something like Humalog.
Idk I've had great success with every insulin I've used and I've used A LOT. The end results have been pretty much the same. Insulin does what insulin does no matter what it is. Stuff like Lantus influence igf more but your igf can only get so high if you take enough growth it's really just nice to have a baseline for all the meals and then the fast for pre and post I haven't noticed a big difference with Humalog or R insulin peri-workout
 
Idk I've had great success with every insulin I've used and I've used A LOT. The end results have been pretty much the same. Insulin does what insulin does no matter what it is. Stuff like Lantus influence igf more but your igf can only get so high if you take enough growth it's really just nice to have a baseline for all the meals and then the fast for pre and post I haven't noticed a big difference with Humalog or R insulin peri-workout

Cool man, glad that works out for you. I'm sure it can work like you mentioned.

But...

Successful bodybuilders use Humalog over R. No well known coaches with high level clients, that I'm aware of, use R insulin either.

There is probably a reason for this.

If anyone knows any high level coaches or successful bodybuilders using R insulin I'd be interested to hear who.

To the other guy. People new to insulin in the US usually start with R simply because it's OTC.
 
Cool man, glad that works out for you. I'm sure it can work like you mentioned.

But...

Successful bodybuilders use Humalog over R. No well known coaches with high level clients, that I'm aware of, use R insulin either.

There is probably a reason for this.

If anyone knows any high level coaches or successful bodybuilders using R insulin I'd be interested to hear who.

To the other guy. People new to insulin in the US usually start with R simply because it's OTC.
Broderick Chaves and Alex kikel. My friend was working with Chris aceto and had him using R insulin during his prep.

Alex is where I learned that you can inject R insulin into the muscle and it will act almost exactly like Humalog.

I have heard other coaches say that they don't like it also though so I see where you're coming from but I do know of quite a few that use it successfully.
 
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