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AllGoodThings said:
That's a piss poor attitude, and thinking you have nothing to learn is silly. You don't need the forums, until you need them to source some Primo? Guess what? If you didn't have the attitude that there's nothing for you to learn here, you could have learned over a year ago that this shortage was a possibility, and learned early this year that it was a near forgone conclusion that shit was about to get bad. So your avoidance of the forums because you are too smart and knowledgeable to learn anything here is exactly why you're now scrambling to get primo. I joined here earlier this year, and while I have over 20 years of ped experience and some knowledge and research under my belt, I also am humble enough to know I have a lot to learn. One thing I learned about was the fast approaching shortages, and thanks to this forum and it members, I got enough Primo and Mast to last me many many years, and at pre panic prices. You could have posted a brief but adequate new member intro in the time you took to argue why you're too good, too important, and too busy to write one.
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I knew about the shortage, i didn’t know the magnitude to which it would go and no one really did. I don’t run an ugl so buying bulk was never on my mind. My mistake so here we are. Doesn’t really matter what i said is the objective truth. Anything new that comes up i devote a few hours on pubmed and gather everything necessary. Forums have been very helpful for me years ago. I never said im better or too good for them, just don’t fit my shedule. See how i answered your brewing questions? I have no issue giving back i am not selfish.
 
The way OP doesn’t have time but continues to post and reply…

Been doing this for 14 years but is begging for a raw source in this economy

Readalot eat him up
 
MisterT said:
The way OP doesn’t have time but continues to post and reply…

Been doing this for 14 years but is begging for a raw source in this economy

Readalot eat him up
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Well he admitted it was his fault, and he's paying the price for thinking staying in the loop wasn't worthwhile.

TLDR: @GodOfHormones you have no good options. The rare recent sales of Primo raws from formerly reliable suppliers have turned out to be fakes according to Jano, . Long standing UGLs have commented on getting burned by fake raws when using their own suppliers, If your post elicits a response I'm not sure how you'll ensure you aren't getting scammed, unless perhaps a long standing member with raws to spare responds but honestly, even then how would you know? Brewers knowing they can make much more selling as finished oils aren't going to let any go.

Maybe contact a domestic vendor offering Primo, and commission a special batch made to your specs and pay the price for finished oil + an additional amount to have it custom made (which they've been known to do), or, offer to pay them the equivalent of finished oil prices for the quantity of raws you want if you absolutely must make it
yourself.
 
Ghoul said:
Well he admitted it was his fault, and he's paying the price for thinking staying in the loop wasn't worthwhile.

TLDR: @GodOfHormones you have no good options. The rare recent sales of Primo raws from formerly reliable suppliers have turned out to be fakes according to Jano, . Long standing UGLs have commented on getting burned by fake raws when using their own suppliers, If your post elicits a response I'm not sure how you'll ensure you aren't getting scammed, unless perhaps a long standing member with raws to spare responds but honestly, even then how would you know? Brewers knowing they can make much more selling as finished oils aren't going to let any go.

Maybe contact a domestic vendor offering Primo, and commission a special batch made to your specs and pay the price for finished oil + an additional amount to have it custom made (which they've been known to do), or, offer to pay them the equivalent of finished oil prices for the quantity of raws you want if you absolutely must make it
yourself.
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Thank you for the rational response. I wasn’t hoping to find some secret supplier and get a hookup. My intention was to see if there’s someone like myself that for whatever reason chooses to control all variables regarding what they inject and does batches for themselves. A person like that could have a small stash that for the right price would choose to let go party or fully. I don’t mind paying more and I could send it to jano to confirm. I am well aware of the likelihood of being scammed. If anyone is risking it’s me. And some people cry about my lack of induction when i am taking on a risk. I have contacted quite a few ugls that sell finished products and they won’t sell their raws even when offered 3x the price (which doesn’t make sense). They would earn more in that case then selling their finished yet they refuse which makes me that much more suspicious of what they actually sell. Primo even visually has a very distinct characteristic, some are micronized more than others but the crystals are visually exclusive to primo for the most part. That is only a step 1 process and doesn’t negate the need for at least a roid test kit or ideally hplc but just throwing 120-150 usd for a vial of already made product is much more dangerous than getting the raw. And even then the solvents are a no go for me. You mentioned youve seen quite a few disappointing results on primo raws posted recently, were they under-dosed or contained dangerous contaminants?
 
AllGoodThings said:
That's a piss poor attitude, and thinking you have nothing to learn is silly. You don't need the forums, until you need them to source some Primo? Guess what? If you didn't have the attitude that there's nothing for you to learn here, you could have learned over a year ago that this shortage was a possibility, and learned early this year that it was a near forgone conclusion that shit was about to get bad. So your avoidance of the forums because you are too smart and knowledgeable to learn anything here is exactly why you're now scrambling to get primo. I joined here earlier this year, and while I have over 20 years of ped experience and some knowledge and research under my belt, I also am humble enough to know I have a lot to learn. One thing I learned about was the fast approaching shortages, and thanks to this forum and it members, I got enough Primo and Mast to last me many many years, and at pre panic prices. You could have posted a brief but adequate new member intro in the time you took to argue why you're too good, too important, and too busy to write one.
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To be fair forums are the worst place to learn. Mostly dumb broscience. Does anyone even read new member intros lol? I recognize OP from a MPMD and vigorous steve podcast and some others. He's a pretty known guy among those internet coaches/influencers/whatever.
 
GodOfHormones said:
Thank you for the rational response. I wasn’t hoping to find some secret supplier and get a hookup. My intention was to see if there’s someone like myself that for whatever reason chooses to control all variables regarding what they inject and does batches for themselves. A person like that could have a small stash that for the right price would choose to let go party or fully. I don’t mind paying more and I could send it to jano to confirm. I am well aware of the likelihood of being scammed. If anyone is risking it’s me. And some people cry about my lack of induction when i am taking on a risk. I have contacted quite a few ugls that sell finished products and they won’t sell their raws even when offered 3x the price (which doesn’t make sense). They would earn more in that case then selling their finished yet they refuse which makes me that much more suspicious of what they actually sell. Primo even visually has a very distinct characteristic, some are micronized more than others but the crystals are visually exclusive to primo for the most part. That is only a step 1 process and doesn’t negate the need for at least a roid test kit or ideally hplc but just throwing 120-150 usd for a vial of already made product is much more dangerous than getting the raw. And even then the solvents are a no go for me. You mentioned youve seen quite a few disappointing results on primo raws posted recently, were they under-dosed or contained dangerous contaminants?
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I wouldn't waste any effort trying to hunt down secret suppliers. There were rumors of those months ago, along with "fresh batches" being made that you could buy if you were in the secret squirrel club, All turned out to be leftovers and factory floor sweepings.

What's crazy is how even Test Cyp, which is still produced in abundance in China for legit pharma, is showing signs of scarcity too. Primo has no legit use, and is difficult to make, so if Test-C is getting hard to get god only knows when Primo will reappear, If $17,000 / k isn't motivating someone to step up to make it off hours in some factory, then rake in the cash by offering it for a bargain price of $10,000 a kilo, I don't know what it would take. The authorities must have sent the message that anyone who does this will be sent off for organ harvesting.

(contrary to some theories, no fentanyl precursors are needed for this, so that's not the issue)

Good luck.
 
juicebro said:
To be fair forums are the worst place to learn. Mostly dumb broscience. Does anyone even read new member intros lol? I recognize OP from a MPMD and vigorous steve podcast and some others. He's a pretty known guy among those internet coaches/influencers/whatever.
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You nailed my point. With today’s access to information pubmed, scholar, schi-hub, Ai etc. gathering data sourced from medical literature should be the “go to” place not some dudes anecdotal report which doesn’t account for all variables, isn’t in a controlled setting, does 50 other things that he doesn’t disclose willingly or unwillingly and then miss information is spread. N=1s do hold value im not dismissing it completely at all. But when i said i went through the phase of being all over the boards some people interpret it as slander. Doesn’t matter i said what i said glad some people understand
 
Ghoul said:
I wouldn't waste any effort trying to hunt down secret suppliers. There were rumors of those months ago, along with "fresh batches" being made that you could buy if you were in the secret squirrel club, All turned out to be leftovers and factory floor sweepings.

What's crazy is how even Test Cyp, which is still produced in abundance in China for legit pharma, is showing signs of scarcity too. Primo has no legit use, and is difficult to make, so if Test-C is getting hard to get god only knows when Primo will reappear, If $17,000 / k isn't motivating someone to step up to make it off hours in some factory, then rake in the cash by offering it for a bargain price of $10,000 a kilo, it I don't know what it would take.

(contrary to some theories, no fentanyl precursors are needed for this).

Good luck.
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To make it even more bizarre Bayer stopped manufacturing of primo at the same time, talk about timing right? Lol. Anyway i also went through the manufacturing process of methenolone enanthate (which can be found on pubmed) and couldnt find anything linking it to fentanyl. So i don’t buy that story yet. It’s also interesting how places like India, Peru, Thiland haven’t legitimately stepped in. China held the monopoly for two decades and there has to be a reason behind it laziness just doesn’t compute as an explanation, and profits are there especially now.
 
readalot said:
Still ain't made an intro.

This one damn sure seems to fit your hectic influencer schedule now. How about that.

Get to posting.
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Do we know when that rule went into effect? I knew but since forgot. Was going to blast someone who needed it by pointing out they didn't, but turned out they created an account before it became Law, and I figured they were grandfathered in.
 
juicebro said:
To be fair forums are the worst place to learn. Mostly dumb broscience. Does anyone even read new member intros lol? I recognize OP from a MPMD and vigorous steve podcast and some others. He's a pretty known guy among those internet coaches/influencers/whatever.
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So where is the best place to learn? You can't really rely on research articles alone, because not nearly enough studies have been done on PED's, especially specifically related to physique and performance enhancement, to rely on those entirely. Most social media platforms aren't that great; with reddit, IG, FB, etc.. you have to sift through a ton of BS, and useless trans content in the case of reddit, to get decent tidbits of useful info here and there. YouTube has some decent channels, but you also have to be wary of shills and click bait that praises things based more off of it being the newest thing that'll get views, or peddlers of products that get them affiliate link sales. On this forum, there are quite a few educated and knowledgeable folks that engage in solid discussions on a variety of relevant topics. Is it perfect? No, but with a bit of discernment you can get some useful information here. The thing is, it's not even about whether or not the forums are a great or bad or somewhere in the middle when it comes to learning.

Regarding the intro post; this is a forum with rules and etiquette. If a current or former Mr. Olympia signed up, I'd hope he'd have enough respect to follow the forum etiquette and post a brief introduction in the new members forum. It's about respect, not status, and the attitude that you're above having to follow rules just because they seem arbitrary or outdated, or because of the "do you know who I am attitude" is akin to off duty cops and government officials who get pulled over for traffic infractions and expect to flash an ID and be sent on their way. They don't have to follow the same rules that the peasants do, they don't have time for that, they're important and have things to do and places to be.

If OP decides he's not going to do a formal introduction, so be it. I said some harsh things, and I don't even know the guy, so I accept I could be wrong, but the way some of the statements he made came across can be indicative of attitudes I have little respect for. Again, maybe he's not that kind of guy, and just a bit stubborn. That's cool, I can be stubborn too. Hopefully he gets his Primo hookup, I know it sucks feeling like you could run out of a favored compound.
 
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Ghoul said:
Do we know when that rule went into effect? I knew but since forgot. Was going to blast someone who needed it by pointing out they didn't, but turned out they created an account before it became Law, and I figured they were grandfathered in.
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What's the date on this post?

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What date did our busy fella join?

Who just ignored that nice little box when he signed up cause he is too busy? Takes what? 1 min with some of these folks now. Some spend 30 s.
 
GodOfHormones said:
I do have appearances on yt and have collaborated with some well known guys in the industry
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Holy shit Brother. Damn!

Here, take my whole stash. Wow. Thank you for gracing us by just being here soliciting and asking members to break the rules for your glorious self.
 
Ghoul said:
Do we know when that rule went into effect? I knew but since forgot. Was going to blast someone who needed it by pointing out they didn't, but turned out they created an account before it became Law, and I figured they were grandfathered in.
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I wouldn't have given it a second thought until he pulled the "I'm on YouTube, I don't have time to follow the rules here" and then kept shitposting.
barack obama shrug GIF
 
AllGoodThings said:
So where is the best place to learn? You can't really rely on research articles alone, because not nearly enough studies have been done on PED's, especially specifically related to physique and performance enhancement, to rely on those entirely. Most social media platforms aren't that great; with reddit, IG, FB, etc.. you have to sift through a ton of BS, and useless trans content in the case of reddit, to get decent tidbits of useful info here and there. YouTube has some decent channels, but you also have to be wary of shills and click bait that praises things based more off of it being the newest thing that'll get views, or peddlers of products that get them affiliate link sales. On this forum, there are quite a few educated and knowledgeable folks that engage in solid discussions on a variety of relevant topics. Is it perfect? No, but with a bit of discernment you can get some useful information here. The thing is, it's not even about whether or not the forums are a great or bad or somewhere in the middle when it comes to learning.

Regarding the intro post; this is a forum with rules and etiquette. If a current or former Mr. Olympia signed up, I'd hope he'd have enough respect to follow the forum etiquette and post a brief introduction in the new members forum. It's about respect, not status, and the attitude that you're above having to follow rules just because they seem arbitrary or outdated, or because of the "do you know who I am attitude" is akin to off duty cops and government officials who get pulled over for traffic infractions and expect to flash an ID and be sent on their way. They don't have to follow the same rules that the peasants do, they don't have time for that, they're important and have things to do and places to be.
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There’s no one stop shop. I would say in this order:
- Training Scientific literature (This covers hypertrophy exercise selection and program structuring)
-Diet ( Also scientific literature no one is above thermodynamics) paired with subjective trial and error ( no one can have your individual food tolerance and inflammatory response to certain foods, best to do some food tolerance igg tests, celiac and histamine screening as well as lactase deficiency test)
- Drugs Scientific literature (cover pharmacogenomics) then pair it with what “reputable people in the sport say” + forum bros lastly (still valuable but bottom pyramid).
Anyway the cop analogy makes sense ill make an indication post later catching a flight brb
 
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