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Nothing ever gets addressed in this thread.
Each time bad results are posted, another unrelated argument magically unfolds itself and everything gets buried.

The more 3rd party results are done, the worse it gets.

Test E - China oil.


Primo 200 - P11 - China oil.


Primo 100 - P12 - China oil.



Or a sale or a bunch of sudden great reviews about shipping or a screw up getting made right. I mean something popped up and then here it comes in sequence. You can set your watch by it or find a sucker and win money betting them. This goes back months and months.
 
Please don’t sell out a product before I get home tonight!! lol

The HGH kits sold out either before or after his sale announcement. I just got home from the gym to order one and they're gone.

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Nothing ever gets addressed in this thread.
Each time bad results are posted, another unrelated argument magically unfolds itself and everything gets buried.

The more 3rd party results are done, the worse it gets.

Test E - China oil.


Primo 200 - P11 - China oil.


Primo 100 - P12 - China oil.



True, I posted my results and vendor remained quiet as he does with any test where we would like some adherence to transparency for peace of mind. I dont care if the primo has china oil I would still buy it; but tell me first what I’m actually buying. Tell me first if you really tested raws or not. Hopefully he addresses concerns like this, all in good faith.
 
The framework of this board doesn’t allow for it. That’s all it really comes down to brother. Millard and the mods here aren’t involved in those activities. Who would be in charge of verifying claims? Who would appoint these people? How could we make sure these individuals were unbiased? There isn’t a system in place that would satisfy the masses and implementing one would be difficult and arduous to say the least.

As I stated previously, demanding proof of members has never been the norm here. It creates a pro source environment where members are less inclined to share concerns. Which is the sole purpose of the underground forum.
Solid answer. I suppose I may need more time to be around and understand firsthand how it creates a pro-source environment. In my experience thus far, members have done a great job of stomping out any pro-source commentary. It was my first experience here (my bad). Perhaps it’s tiring work for senior members continually reminding the newbs that this forum wasn’t designed to praise sources and that does more harm than good. What comes to mind specifically are posts such as the one from our friend the Stanford Gold Medal Chemist. Clearly it was a scam. To be fair it was not in this thread but it was regarding this source. If that post were dropped here would it be okay to critique? Again, I’m only trying to understand proper etiquette.
 
Nothing ever gets addressed in this thread.
Each time bad results are posted, another unrelated argument magically unfolds itself and everything gets buried.

The more 3rd party results are done, the worse it gets.

Test E - China oil.


Primo 200 - P11 - China oil.


Primo 100 - P12 - China oil.



I never seen the Test E one! When did that one get posted! I missed it. Wow China on it and I never seen or read it.
 
We have been transparent since 'Primo Gate'. We learned our lesson lol...

Again, for the 100th time, the only resold oils here was the P11 Primo. That is it. Not sure where this Test E came from, but I am going to shoot straight and tell you guys again - ONLY THING CHINA HERE WAS P11 Primo...
(and peptides but we knew that)

Going to attach our MCT and GSO oil GCMS I sent in December. @Photon - since you seem to be one of the few that understands, here is our footprint for each.

MCT Oil GCMS

GSO Oil GCMS - We use 'Filtered Grapeseed Oil, 100% Pure, Therapeutic Grade'
 
I mostly agree with you, but providing pics of rubber bits floating in oil and melted caps would be reasonable.

Interesting that you tried to tell me I was demanding attention and respect for simply asking for this very thing. Just the slightest bit of evidence. Weird.
 
As a new member, our opinions are less valid in the context of this forum. This forum is about spreading knowledge and harm reduction. If we cannot validate someone’s knowledge level, we cannot know if we can trust it. In another thread, a member was telling another one a grossly wrong amount of GH to take. They were rightly called out. We can all trust, but we need to verify, That’s what post history helps with.

When a good number of senior members speak up, I can validate their experience. I can read their other post, their cycle logs, and get a feel for what their strengths, weaknesses, how they are biased, or if they are just a complete dumbass. It doesn’t matter how much we know or think we know. It doesn’t matter how long we have or have not lifted, If no one can validate that over time, there is an inherent distrust. I don’t want them to trust me. If I’m asking a question, or commenting on an experience and I’m wrong, I’d rather a “hey dumbass, you may want to look over here instead” than quiet observation of watching me fail.

My advice is to get some thicker skin. If they are responding, they care. You may not like how they care, but it is likely in your best interest.
Sooooo I’m confused with this cycle log thing and how exactly it establishes credibility? You’re telling me I have to write down every detail of my cycle to become creditable? Not asking to attack or anything, I’m just genuinely curious.
 
Nothing ever gets addressed in this thread.
Each time bad results are posted, another unrelated argument magically unfolds itself and everything gets buried.

The more 3rd party results are done, the worse it gets.

Test E - China oil.


Primo 200 - P11 - China oil.


Primo 100 - P12 - China oil.



Glad to see you upholding your word of occasionally coming back to this page just to post this.
 
Maybe it’s just you big dog. I’ve been here 13 years and never been accused of either.

This you, big dog? Glazing Primal less than two months ago. Must’ve been a rough breakup.
I like that this source takes criticism and actually seems to learn something from it. I’ve had a few small issues with the orders I’ve made and he’s been solid and prompt about taking care of me.

Now that the stopper issue has been rectified and new testing keeps coming I think things are definitely looking up.
 
A post about my experience? I’ve been very clear in this thread that I have purchased gear from this source. I clearly mentioned issues with my orders in the post quoted but that I was optimistic the source seemed to be making improvements. Glazing is a fucking reach.

You’re clearly rubbing people wrong in both directions. I wasn’t even being rude to you, maybe if you’re looking bad to people on both sides of an argument keeping your opinion to yourself would be ideal. All I’m saying, I’ve never had those problems.

This you, big dog? Glazing Primal less than two months ago. Must’ve been a rough breakup.
 
A post about my experience? I’ve been very clear in this thread that I have purchased gear from this source. I clearly mentioned issues with my orders in the post quoted but that I was optimistic the source seemed to be making improvements. Glazing is a fucking reach.

You’re clearly rubbing people wrong in both directions. I wasn’t even being rude to you, maybe if you’re looking bad to people on both sides of an argument keeping your opinion to yourself would be ideal. All I’m saying, I’ve never had those problems.
Thank you for your input desertwarrior I appreciate you
 
Jesus Christ, now we’re measuring forum dicks by who’s been here longer:
“10 years here, trust me.”
“20 years here, my word is law.”

Congrats. Time served doesn’t magically turn you into an expert or make your opinion gospel. Longevity ≠ credibility. I’m not saying there aren’t a few guys whose opinions I respect, there are. I just won’t name them because their egos are already on HGH.

But this whole “you’re new so you can’t be trusted, I’m an old guard so listen to me” routine is wild. Absolute boomer energy.

Then we’ve got people casually claiming there are human remains floating in oil… and somehow no proof is needed because “the community should trust me.” But vendors? Nah, they’re evil cartoon villains trying to rob us blind. Trust is apparently selective now.

And don’t even get me started on the nostalgia sermons: “Back in my day the forum was harder.” “Back then men were men.”

Yeah, cool story. That era is gone. Some legends left, some disappeared, some literally died. Times change. Do I miss parts of the old days? Sure. But pretending nothing changed or that everything new is automatically trash is just denial.

And the funniest part? It’s the same cycle every single week. New drama. Same arguments. Same outrage. Different names, same bullshit.

At some point you gotta ask… aren’t you guys tired of running this loop on repeat?
 
A post about my experience? I’ve been very clear in this thread that I have purchased gear from this source. I clearly mentioned issues with my orders in the post quoted but that I was optimistic the source seemed to be making improvements. Glazing is a fucking reach.

You’re clearly rubbing people wrong in both directions. I wasn’t even being rude to you, maybe if you’re looking bad to people on both sides of an argument keeping your opinion to yourself would be ideal. All I’m saying, I’ve never had those problems.
Wait, but you do have that problem now. Because I’m calling you a hypocrite. My actions are no more egregious than yours. Remember, you mischaracterized my comment asking for proof as white knighting - that was a reach.
 
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