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You guys clearly didn’t understand me. It’s doesn’t matter what you find credible, and it doesn’t matter how the source verifies the issue on their end. Neither of those things are this boards issue to solve. You don’t get to come in as new members making demands. You’ll do as every other member has done here in the past and use your judgement on what you take seriously, which members are credible and which aren’t.

I understand we all want our hands held but that’s not going to happen here. The environment you are attempting to create is pro source and not pro member and that will not be tolerated. Learn to use your judgement when reading posts and stop white nighting for sources. Regardless of your reasoning these behaviors won’t be tolerated any longer.

Ah, you've tipped your hand. My status as a new member makes my opinion somehow less valid. Got it.

I never asked to have my hand held. I never made any demands. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie. I simply stated that I think it is pretty ridiculous to give this (or any vendor) a red box based on a single post. 24 hours later the guy still hasn't answered a single question about his claim. I would think, in the interest of harm reduction, he should feel obliged to answer some questions people have about his accusation.
 
You guys clearly didn’t understand me. It’s doesn’t matter what you find credible, and it doesn’t matter how the source verifies the issue on their end. Neither of those things are this boards issue to solve. You don’t get to come in as new members making demands. You’ll do as every other member has done here in the past and use your judgement on what you take seriously, which members are credible and which aren’t.

I understand we all want our hands held but that’s not going to happen here. The environment you are attempting to create is pro source and not pro member and that will not be tolerated. Learn to use your judgement when reading posts and stop white nighting for sources. Regardless of your reasoning these behaviors won’t be tolerated any longer.
Assuming your comment was directed at me, since you quoted me… If so, what behavior am I exhibiting, and for clarity - it won’t be tolerated by whom any longer?

It’s pretty ridiculous that just a few weeks ago I was being accused of plotting AGAINST Primal, now I’m being accused of white knighting.
 
Assuming your comment was directed at me, since you quoted me… If so, what behavior am I exhibiting, and for clarity - it won’t be tolerated by whom any longer?

It’s pretty ridiculous that just a few weeks ago I was being accused of plotting AGAINST Primal, now I’m being accused of white knighting.

something is fishy here. at first i thought that some people really were just die hard fans for primal, which was already weird, because you don’t see much of the same behavior with for example stan, and he’s been doing it for what, 20x longer….?

that and the fact that these new articles come out from the admin subtly with stuff like “don’t incentivize customers to post “don’t block out negative feedback by flooding the thread with positive feedback”

people can say it’s tiktok or pep moms or whatever, but the truth is that we just need to look out for eachother in the community more.
 
Ah, you've tipped your hand. My status as a new member makes my opinion somehow less valid. Got it.

I never asked to have my hand held. I never made any demands. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie. I simply stated that I think it is pretty ridiculous to give this (or any vendor) a red box based on a single post. 24 hours later the guy still hasn't answered a single question about his claim. I would think, in the interest of harm reduction, he should feel obliged to answer some questions people have about his accusation.
It absolutely makes your opinion less valid. You haven't established any credibility. You want to just show up and demand attention and unearned respect?
 
It absolutely makes your opinion less valid. You haven't established any credibility. You want to just show up and demand attention and unearned respect?

I've not done either thing, but okay. If voicing a simple opinion in a respectful manner is demanding attention and respect in your mind, you have a twisted way of looking at things.
 
something is fishy here. at first i thought that some people really were just die hard fans for primal, which was already weird, because you don’t see much of the same behavior with for example stan, and he’s been doing it for what, 20x longer….?

that and the fact that these new articles come out from the admin subtly with stuff like “don’t incentivize customers to post “don’t block out negative feedback by flooding the thread with positive feedback”

people can say it’s tiktok or pep moms or whatever, but the truth is that we just need to look out for eachother in the community more.
Ah someone is putting it together. Don’t forget the other feature you may not be aware of. Sources can no longer send an unsolicited DM. If they’ve corresponded already the feature still works. But when you see a source tell someone to DM them you know why now. They actually never were allowed to send an unsolicited DM to a member. But now some changes have been put in place.
 
Whats good everyone!

I feel bad, I've been out of the Primal thread loop for a while. Gonna go catch up on all the lore I've missed lmao but just thought I'd mention -

I've been starting to see primal's name pop up a lot on tiktok. Like literally just saw multiple tiktoks where his website was letter-for-letter dropped in comments.

Every order I've done with Primal has been great, and I'm putting a lot of my buddies at school on Primal and we all have had great experiences. And I'm really glad you guys are blowing up because of how high of a standard you guys hold yourselves to. But I really hope your operation doesn't get fucked now that you guys are "mainstream" like how SSA got shut down. I remember seeing then namedropped all across tiktok before they went under...
 
It absolutely makes your opinion less valid. You haven't established any credibility. You want to just show up and demand attention and unearned respect?
I disagree. His opinion is equally valid, but being a new member makes it harder to scrutinize and therefore introduces doubts. Taking an example framework (PROVEN) for evaluating a source, a new member is harder to evaluate over almost every dimension, whilst the long term (or even new but active) participants in Meso can be much easier to assess.

Purpose: How and why the account/post was created.
Relevance: The value of the information for our needs
Objectivity: Reliability. Thorough, strong, emotional, manipulative, or offensive language? Any particular political, ideological, cultural, or religious point of view? Fact or opinion? Is it biased? Missing info left out?
Verifiability: The accuracy and truthfulness and evidence of the information.
Expertise: The authority of the authors and the source.
Newness: Is the information current.

TLDR....new members opinions valid, but carry less weight in my book.
 
Ah, you've tipped your hand. My status as a new member makes my opinion somehow less valid. Got it.

I never asked to have my hand held. I never made any demands. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie. I simply stated that I think it is pretty ridiculous to give this (or any vendor) a red box based on a single post. 24 hours later the guy still hasn't answered a single question about his claim. I would think, in the interest of harm reduction, he should feel obliged to answer some questions people have about his accusation.
As a new member, our opinions are less valid in the context of this forum. This forum is about spreading knowledge and harm reduction. If we cannot validate someone’s knowledge level, we cannot know if we can trust it. In another thread, a member was telling another one a grossly wrong amount of GH to take. They were rightly called out. We can all trust, but we need to verify, That’s what post history helps with.

When a good number of senior members speak up, I can validate their experience. I can read their other post, their cycle logs, and get a feel for what their strengths, weaknesses, how they are biased, or if they are just a complete dumbass. It doesn’t matter how much we know or think we know. It doesn’t matter how long we have or have not lifted, If no one can validate that over time, there is an inherent distrust. I don’t want them to trust me. If I’m asking a question, or commenting on an experience and I’m wrong, I’d rather a “hey dumbass, you may want to look over here instead” than quiet observation of watching me fail.

My advice is to get some thicker skin. If they are responding, they care. You may not like how they care, but it is likely in your best interest.
 
As a new member, our opinions are less valid in the context of this forum. This forum is about spreading knowledge and harm reduction. If we cannot validate someone’s knowledge level, we cannot know if we can trust it. In another thread, a member was telling another one a grossly wrong amount of GH to take. They were rightly called out. We can all trust, but we need to verify, That’s what post history helps with.

When a good number of senior members speak up, I can validate their experience. I can read their other post, their cycle logs, and get a feel for what their strengths, weaknesses, how they are biased, or if they are just a complete dumbass. It doesn’t matter how much we know or think we know. It doesn’t matter how long we have or have not lifted, If no one can validate that over time, there is an inherent distrust. I don’t want them to trust me. If I’m asking a question, or commenting on an experience and I’m wrong, I’d rather a “hey dumbass, you may want to look over here instead” than quiet observation of watching me fail.

My advice is to get some thicker skin. If they are responding, they care. You may not like how they care, but it is likely in your best interest.

I understand what you are saying. Thicker skin is certainly not the issue. I am not giving advice. I am not asking for advice. I simply gave an opinion on the concept of wanting ANY sort of corroboration when making an accusation against someone (you know, something that is commonplace in every single other aspect of life) before automatically assuming the accusation is correct and accurate. Literally the slightest bit. The person making the accusation hasn't even responded to this post since he made it, and I am the one under scrutiny? What kind of mindless backward thinking is that?

For doing so I have been accused of "demanding attention," :demanding respect," "wanting your hand held," etc. I understand the concept of a new member's opinion not holding the same weight in most contexts. In this context, I said something a couple of people didn't like (for God only knows why), and they threw every new member insult at me that made absolutely no sense. Demanding respect by giving an opinion? Wanting my hand held for respectfully voicing an opinion? Get the fuck out of here. It's mindless troglodyte behavior and thinking at VERY best.
 
On Groundhog day, the shadow decides the price!

Shadow seen -> Winter sticks around -> 25% price INCREASE
No shadow -> Early Spring -> 25% price DECREASE

Simple rules. No arguing with the groundhog.
the way primal does it is this - raise prices 35% ten days prione then have a 20% sale. remember the stopper change? i test my case.
 
Not sure what you want me to say, brother. Aside from the P11 Primo batch, all of our products are pure MCT and GSO as is evident in the testing I just released. I am not going to go back and forth with this.
the way primal does it is this - raise prices 35% ten days prione then have a 20% sale. remember the stopper change? i test my case.
In a way this seems kind of offensive to think our clients would be foolish enough to fall for something like this... but ok, nice!
 
On Groundhog day, the shadow decides the price!

Shadow seen -> Winter sticks around -> 25% price INCREASE
No shadow -> Early Spring -> 25% price DECREASE

Simple rules. No arguing with the groundhog.
JK APES!

25% off today and tomorrow for Groundhog Day. Celebrate the new testing and new website look! Support has been amazing, thank you guys for everything. If you need anything else, just holler.
 
JK APES!

25% off today and tomorrow for Groundhog Day. Celebrate the new testing and new website look! Support has been amazing, thank you guys for everything. If you need anything else, just holler.
I usually order Primal's product on the weekend and almost always receive the tracking on Monday night or Tuesday morning. Package is usually delivered on Thursday or Friday. I admit that I only filter the oils from CN but not Primal's.
 
So I haven't been on here in awhile but wanted to share my recent experiences with Primal. For starters, I was a big fan of his oils and caps. I've probably done about 5 orders with him going back to his first few weeks on here. I've run his EQ, Test Cyp, Enan. Prop. Und. I've also run his MENT, Tren E and A, NPP and still have a couple bottles of his Deca for a rainy day. As for his caps I've used 3 bottles of his Anadrol 25, Sdrol, Dbol, Adex and Nolva. Prior to my most recent order the only issue I had was his green caps smudging when alcohol swab hit it. No big deal. I was happy and recommended him to a buddy.

Then on my last order the wheels came off. After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full. On top of all that, a bottle of Nolvadex I purchased from him in late September essentially melted and became completely discolored. Yet another product of his I now have to toss. The Nolva was stored in the same place as all my other tabs. It's dark and dry on the top shelf of my kitchen cabinet. The weird thing is I have 5 bottles of his caps in the same cabinet but only the Nolva changed color and the capsule essentially melted.

It's disappointing because he was a solid and reliable domestic source since the summer. Idk if he got too big too soon amd got overwhelmed with order from the Tik Tok clown brigade and Reddit cumts, or if it's as simple as he made a poor choice in choosing which rubber stoppers to use. Either way, I have to think long and hard about ordering from him any time soon. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but the Nolva is tougher to explain away. Especially since it was stored alongside the rest of his caps as well as in the same manner I've stored tabs and caps for almost 20yrs without anything like that ever happening.
I placed with primal for the first time at the end of December ETA great, packaging great, gear looks good. However I ordered test cyp and primo 100. I did 4 injections. The worse PIP i ever had, injection site staying hard and a huge painful lump for weeks. Now I have one on my left thigh idk for sure it’s from their product but I have to have surgery on Monday to get it drained so it doesn’t go septic in my bloodstream and we’ll yeh once septic that about it. Anyone have any issues lately? Any advice on what the best most professional way to handle this? Thank you everyone for your input it really is a drag incant even pin my trt right now bc of all the lumps in my injection sites.
 
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