MESO-Rx Sponsor Primal Pharma - US Domestic

[powdered_toast_man]

Is Primal still a UGL?

"Studies show most bottled water contains microplastics from the plastic container, especially PET bottles. Levels vary, but a two thousand nineteen Orb Media test found about ninety-four percent of samples had microplastics, averaging around three hundred twenty-five particles per liter. Factors like heat, sunlight, or reusing bottles can increase leaching. Still, health impacts aren't fully clear yet."

I'm going to inject 0.25CC of the tre400 2x this week and continue to keep photon on ignore.

 

[Photon]

Is Primal still a UGL?

"Studies show most bottled water contains microplastics from the plastic container, especially PET bottles. Levels vary, but a two thousand nineteen Orb Media test found about ninety-four percent of samples had microplastics, averaging around three hundred twenty-five particles per liter. Factors like heat, sunlight, or reusing bottles can increase leaching. Still, health impacts aren't fully clear yet."

I'm going to inject 0.25CC of the tre400 2x this week and continue to keep photon on ignore.

Don't worry my dear.
Jano's testing doesn't show micro plastics. You're definitely getting your money's worth.

 

[jpe1]

This board is hands down the best one out there. I’m genuinely glad I stumbled across it. Most other boards are sponsor driven and have reached the point where testing results are controlled or limited just to protect the sponsors NOT the community.

When there are multiple reports, that information is being shared for the benefit of the community.

Every source can and will have issues at some point. At the end of the day we’re the buyers and they’re the dealers. Our only leverage is transparency.

Here is a list of multiple reports(Should be updated with recent NPP oil discrepancy report)

I'm going to stop visiting this thread, except to repost this daily.
Please direct any new joiners to this post.
Please re-post as necessary as well.

Beware, vendor (1) constantly lies, (2) sells contaminated, (3) under-dosed products which doesn't match vendor's own testing. If purchasing, please do BOTH HPLC and GCMS on products before usage.

(1) Test U 250 - > 3rd party tested as contaminated 200mg/ml. Used same batch numbers, for 2 different brews with different mg/ml.

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Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - Lab Testing Results'

Jan 10, 2026

primals test undecanoate, pretty consistent....

• loganmiller530

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(2) Primo - Claimed to brew using raws, multiple times, only to be caught reselling China Primo for US Dom prices.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Dec 14, 2025

Was the recent primo underdosed?

There seem to be a great number of people commenting here lately that haven't bothered to get caught up on the series of events that lead to the mistrust many have right now with Primal. Here's a brief breakdown of the events

Primal lied about this Primo's origins not once, but twice. First, it was made from raws they got in that they paid a lot for, and they were "too excited to get it (the raws) tested" and brewed it immediately. Then, days later, they "came clean" and said it was left over primo raws they found while looking through their...

• AllGoodThings

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(3) TestC250 -> 3rd party tested, multiple vials under-dosed as 220mg/ml to 230mg/ml. Different brews, different mg/ml, same batch number.

Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - Lab Testing Results'

Dec 11, 2025

FYI - I’ve sent in samples from 3 different vials of TC250 P10 (early-September), to put to rest any doubts that my initial test that came in at 220mg was not a one-off, as originally suggested by Primal. Jano has them and I suspect I will have results in a day or two. I am also guessing they’ll all come in around 220.

Here are the combined results for the 4 different TC250 P10 (early-September) samples:

Full 10ml vial: 220.93 mg/ml
Sample A: 231.73 mg/ml
Sample B: 224.32 mg/ml
Sample C: 220.62 mg/ml

Average: 224.4 mg/ml

Janoshik Analytical
Janoshik Analytical...

• crispybacon!

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(4) MastP200 -> 3rd party tested under-dosed as 153mg/ml.

Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - Lab Testing Results'

Nov 28, 2025

Mast P200 -> 153mg/ml
P11

Janoshik Analytical

• Photon

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(5) TRE400 -> 2 different batches, both 3rd party tested to both be contaminated with dissolved brewing equipment.

Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - Lab Testing Results'

Nov 28, 2025

TRE400
Batch 001

Janoshik Analytical

TRE400
Batch P11

Janoshik Analytical

• Photon

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(6) TC50 -> Female Test Cyp 50, multiple 3rd party testing as 62mg/ml.

Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - Lab Testing Results'

Nov 28, 2025

TC50
62mg/ml
Sep -> Janoshik Analytical
Nov -> Janoshik Analytical

• Photon

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(7) Adrol50 -> 3rd party tested as 30mg/ml.

Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - Lab Testing Results'

Dec 1, 2025

Adrol50-> ~30mg/ml
First batch

Janoshik Analytical

• Photon

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(8) EQ300/EQ500 -> Multiple vials of EQ brewed using different set of raws of different colors using same batch number with only 1 test. Claims to send raws for testing, waited for results, only to admit nothing was sent and that a new batch was coming. (What was actually sold?)

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Jan 7, 2026

Never sent it. Will send it once I am back from travels

So you sent it..waited for results..then apparently did not send it and now have a new batch you are sending out?

• Photon

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[jboogie83]

Problem is there are way more positive reports than not. These few negative reports are over the top and seem like they have another agenda, or just had a bad experience or whatever. That, or they are driving business elsewhere.

The significant effort to drag this vendor does not even remotely seem like it comes a genuine place of concern for the community. It rather looks targeted and intentional, which is pretty fucking shitty if that's what's really going on.

 

[hellerhiwater]

Problem is there are way more positive reports than not. These few negative reports are over the top and seem like they have another agenda, or just had a bad experience or whatever. That, or they are driving business elsewhere.

The significant effort to drag this vendor does not even remotely seem like it comes a genuine place of concern for the community. It rather looks targeted and intentional, which is pretty fucking shitty if that's what's really going on.

They’re out to get you too man!! They’re in the WALLSSSSS MAAANNNNN

 

[jboogie83]

I mean, Primal is likely the most recognized domestic source in the US, and to think that other vendors wouldn't target him is just silly and shows lack of economic understanding.

 

[riggspersonal]

lack of economic understanding.

Demand > supply almost always. Vendors don't need to attack one another.

Product issues aside, blatantly lying to the community and flipping relabeled Chinese primo is a character flaw and should tell you all you need to know when we have little to go off of for building trust and rapport.

 

[jboogie83]

Demand > supply almost always. Vendors don't need to attack one another.

Product issues aside, blatantly lying to the community and flipping relabeled Chinese primo is a character flaw and should tell you all you need to know when we have little to go off of for building trust and rapport.

Given the nature of this board and what we all do, wouldn't you expect more negative reports?

 

[Photon]

Given the nature of this board and what we all do, wouldn't you expect more negative reports?

Most don't test their gear.
So no.

People usually just change vendors.

 

[Earthworm Jim]

I mean, Primal is likely the most recognized domestic source in the US, and to think that other vendors wouldn't target him is just silly and shows lack of economic understanding.

Not debating that but you're getting close to an ad Hominen fallacy when some people aren't just posting a feels report but actually supplying test results and statements made by the vendor. That being said I personally decided all was forgiven and now a blank slate when he owned up to the Primo

 

[hellerhiwater]

I mean, Primal is likely the most recognized domestic source in the US, and to think that other vendors wouldn't target him is just silly and shows lack of economic understanding.

It must be the logo and branding on all the vials. Really adds to that recognizability.

 

[Magenzus]

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I mean, Primal is likely the most recognized domestic source in the US, and to think that other vendors wouldn't target him is just silly and shows lack of economic understanding.

There’s easily over a handful of sources here on Meso who are way way bigger and with longer track records. I am happy I found this forum.

Also once I joined I was immediately drawn into Primal and the hype. But after a while reading what tenured members say there is nothing left to do but to listen to those with more experience. They have seen things like this numerous times and their advise 100% keeps it safety and harm reduction focused, which is exactly what I want regardless if it feels personal or not.

I am still down to buy from Primal but never pin until tests from now on. He definitely has an opportunity to learn from this be more transparent and things will only get better for him if he does.

 

[trynagains]

I have not interacted with you here before and I mean no disrespect to you brother. But that’s a foolish statement. The batch of tren 400 that has dissolved lab equipment in it is still in users hands. There are guys on tik tok and Reddit buying this stuff. Not everyone’s on MESO or heard about this shit. The source hasn’t done shit to address any of the batch number concerns, multiple colored oils coming from the same batch, contamination. Literally nothing has been changed. The source just unzips his zipper and guys here just gobble it up.

And as far as I’m concerned I think even a lot of older members here don’t understand what this forum is for and for who. Members are free to post as they wish. Trust me when I tell you that half these posts are retarded in some way. But the spirit is that we mention issues we’re having to save others the same headache. Understand that you’re not pressing him about proof for clarity or peace of mind. You’re doing it because you are quietly crusading for this source. Proof has done nothing to stop guys in the past it obviously isn’t now. Sources are our guest here, members aren’t meant to be badgered on their behalf.

So tbh I’m pretty new to this forum and still learning “what this forum is all about”. I’m very familiar with harm reduction on many levels though. For example I’ve been clean from heroin since 2012. I work with still suffering addicts on a regular basis. I’m learning that what works in that world is not always accepted in this world as harm reduction. My opinion has been blasted whether or not I’m confirming or criticizing a source. Which is fine, honestly I deserved some of it. I’m trying to find and align and learn from members who have what looks like the best intentions for harm reduction with a rigorous regard for knowledge and safety. I think you make very good points. I believe that all reports should be welcomed. But I also should be able to use my better judgement on whether or not a report is useful to me.

I actually think I was pretty kind to homeboy and I think he agreed:

I don’t hope that you have nothing to lose. I hope you view your life as valuable. As we certainly do. Guys may rip on people here but it’s usually because they are doing something dangerous and stupid or lying for no reason. We are putting chemicals in our bodies that modify our entire endocrine system. That alone is stupid and dangerous enough. So the simple things we can do like proper sanitization, technique, filtering, testing, titrating etc. are easy and a MUST. If we can’t get that right what else do you think we might be wrecking?

Incredibly kind words. I was sterile as possible without being in a clean room. I never draw and inject with the same needle. Always use rubbing alcohol on pretty much everything including washing my hands with it and the surface of the counter that the syringe sits on. Post injection a 30 second massage of the area with a microfiber towel that has rubbing alcohol on it.

I’m going to be honest. I’m running a low grade temp right now and starting to get concerned. Looks like this one is going to be a negotiation with debt collectors once it’s all said and done.

I am not all about berating people here. I definitely joke and find humor in the darkness but I’m genuinely here to learn and be helpful where I can. When it comes to the medical, pharmacological, and cultural etiquette of the forum I have a lot to learn. But I’m willing. And where I have expertise I’m trying to share it. For example I wrote up an article on privacy/security here since I have decades of experience there. And if you or anyone else have advice for me I’m open and willing to hear it.

 

[Dial It In]

I mean, Primal is likely the most recognized domestic source in the US, and to think that other vendors wouldn't target him is just silly and shows lack of economic understanding.

Know what happened to the last most popular sources on this board that were social media famous? It wasn’t good. The other domestic sources have zero reason to worry about this source. Most of them aren’t wanting or needing to be big and that’s why they don’t have a website. These things aren’t targeted. Are there good things? Sure. Are there bad things? Yes. The whole point isn’t about the good. It’s about or should be about fixing the negative. There is no reason to defend the good. But everyone should be asking as a customer or potential customer to have the negatives addressed. You can look across Meso and probably see less than 50 3rd party test of domestic sources across the last several months and that is the issue. People can come in and say I’ve had no problems and that’s fine. But no one can argue 3rd party bad results and shouldn’t assume because they are fine it doesnt mean they dont have a bottle of the same thing. The whole thing you should look at in a bigger picture. You said yourself they are the most popular (allegedly). You can look at Meso and see the same folks. From that you can deduce that a lot of things we don’t know because easily looking at member engagement if they are so big can we say 80 percent of their customer base isn’t even on Meso or even know about Meso? Do they know about Jano? I mean I have dudes randomly show me weird ass gear sites all the time that know nothing about Meso. It’s a much bigger picture than Meso and I think people miss that point. So if we have let’s say 10 3rd party issues in this thread how does that look outside the board that we will never know about? In the end just clean it up and be consistent constantly. Y’all have a great day and be safe no matter who you buy from.

 

[powdered_toast_man]

Problem is there are way more positive reports than not. These few negative reports are over the top and seem like they have another agenda, or just had a bad experience or whatever. That, or they are driving business elsewhere.

The significant effort to drag this vendor does not even remotely seem like it comes a genuine place of concern for the community. It rather looks targeted and intentional, which is pretty fucking shitty if that's what's really going on.

It's even more primitive than that, if I had to guess. Readalot decided to be a total shitbag when this source dropped and people just joined that tribe and want to either outdue him, or earn his favor, or ride his imagined coattails or something.

 

[powdered_toast_man]

Know what happened to the last most popular sources on this board that were social media famous? It wasn’t good. The other domestic sources have zero reason to worry about this source. Most of them aren’t wanting or needing to be big and that’s why they don’t have a website. These things aren’t targeted. Are there good things? Sure. Are there bad things? Yes. The whole point isn’t about the good. It’s about or should be about fixing the negative. There is no reason to defend the good. But everyone should be asking as a customer or potential customer to have the negatives addressed. You can look across Meso and probably see less than 50 3rd party test of domestic sources across the last several months and that is the issue. People can come in and say I’ve had no problems and that’s fine. But no one can argue 3rd party bad results and shouldn’t assume because they are fine it doesnt mean they dont have a bottle of the same thing. The whole thing you should look at in a bigger picture. You said yourself they are the most popular (allegedly). You can look at Meso and see the same folks. From that you can deduce that a lot of things we don’t know because easily looking at member engagement if they are so big can we say 80 percent of their customer base isn’t even on Meso or even know about Meso? Do they know about Jano? I mean I have dudes randomly show me weird ass gear sites all the time that know nothing about Meso. It’s a much bigger picture than Meso and I think people miss that point. So if we have let’s say 10 3rd party issues in this thread how does that look outside the board that we will never know about? In the end just clean it up and be consistent constantly. Y’all have a great day and be safe no matter who you buy from.

You're right.

How much Tren 400 can a motherfucker possibly pin in a year? This whole thing has become so god-damned "political" that no one can even go by purported evidence anymore, for or against, when trying to make a decision about using the source or not. That's what happens when people don't chill the fuck out and push a narrative instead of just laying out the facts.

 

[crispybacon!]

It's even more primitive than that, if I had to guess. Readalot decided to be a total shitbag when this source dropped and people just joined that tribe and want to either outdue him, or earn his favor, or ride his imagined coattails or something.

Primal humored many of RAL’s requests - even recently regarding using volumetric flasks, so is as guilty as anyone else.

 

[powdered_toast_man]

Primal humored many of RAL’s requests - even recently regarding using volumetric flasks, so is as guilty as anyone else.

i mean he's the source

 

[powdered_toast_man]

Demand > supply almost always. Vendors don't need to attack one another.

Product issues aside, blatantly lying to the community and flipping relabeled Chinese primo is a character flaw and should tell you all you need to know when we have little to go off of for building trust and rapport.

It should tell you ever source does this type of fuckery but you just caught Primal. Great job

 

[powdered_toast_man]

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yeah i understand making sure we don’t take everything like the gospel but when you’re having no reaction on chinese BAC water peptides and a sudden reaction with the primal “usa” oil it just leaves a bad impression, i don’t remember getting these issues on a previous / non p12 batch either.

Maybe you've detected a molecule of plastic.