Powerlifting Steroids (test only?)

[aufzz]

Hello,

I've talked to some Powerlifters at my Gym and most seem to only use Test but in High Amounts.
There is also a 50+ year old experienced Guy (German Powerlifting Legend, wont mention name ofc), who told me he only really used Test but in like dumb amounts.

He said and i Quote: "Back in my Days we used to blow our Heads off with the Amount of Gear we used, i personally did 7G of Test a Week...1 Gram a Day. Whenever i felt like my Joints started getting Problems, i used a Ampule of Deca here and there. 6 Weeks Before my Competition I used Halotestin - Starting with Small amounts and going up Week by Week."

I Personally dont know much about Strenght, but the older i get the more interrested i get into this topic, so I came here to ask: Why do so many Powerlifters primarly do Test only Cycles?

 

[ckcrown84]

Just because people used to do things are certain way "back in the day" doesn't make it good or better.

Remember, drugs work...
Drugs do specific things and they do those things even better in certain environments.


Using test is like using a hammer, because it is the only tool you have. But, what if you need a screwdriver?


Look, drugs work. You can take anavar and get stronger.

Find out what strength attributes you are lacking and fill that hole.

 

[barbell001]

1 gram of Test per day is some serious gear, I don't know how someone can tolerate that amount. Whenever I have tried playing around with high doses of it I have never got better results from going over 1.5 gram per week. It just becomes harder to sleep and the headaches get bad from HP.

 

[barbell001]

Just because people used to do things are certain way "back in the day" doesn't make it good or better.

Remember, drugs work...
Drugs do specific things and they do those things even better in certain environments.


Using test is like using a hammer, because it is the only tool you have. But, what if you need a screwdriver?


Look, drugs work. You can take anavar and get stronger.

Find out what strength attributes you are lacking and fill that hole.

Nice Bench by the way - what BW are you?

 

[lukiss96]

1 gram of Test per day is some serious gear, I don't know how someone can tolerate that amount. Whenever I have tried playing around with high doses of it I have never got better results from going over 1.5 gram per week. It just becomes harder to sleep and the headaches get bad from HP.

Totally, I can agree with that. A gram of Testosterone is all you ever need, not to say stacking is not better, but that's just the upper limit where more is not better except for few freaks who can tolerate and respond well to more than that. For us recreational lifters, be it BB, PL or just general fitness there's absolutely no point to punish our bodies with such high T amount and suffer all these sides.

 

[ckcrown84]

Nice Bench by the way - what BW are you?

I compete at 220, I walk around 200 ish

 

[TreeTrunk]

What I often see on a local bodybuilding forum is that they tell people to not use steroids untill they're below 15% bodyfat. From what I know is that with higher bodyfat percentages the conversion to estrogen is (or could be) higher than on lower percentages.

But what about powerlifters who often are, well, a bit 'fatter'?
Do they need to take an AI more often? Or add compounds to blunt that higher estrogen conversion?

Often DHT-derivated compounds are used because of the effects on neurological drive and possible AI use. Like masteron for example.

Should we really 'worry' about using steroids at 20% bodyfat or more?

 

[barbell001]

What I often see on a local bodybuilding forum is that they tell people to not use steroids untill they're below 15% bodyfat. From what I know is that with higher bodyfat percentages the conversion to estrogen is (or could be) higher than on lower percentages.

But what about powerlifters who often are, well, a bit 'fatter'?
Do they need to take an AI more often? Or add compounds to blunt that higher estrogen conversion?

Often DHT-derivated compounds are used because of the effects on neurological drive and possible AI use. Like masteron for example.

Should we really 'worry' about using steroids at 20% bodyfat or more?

Estrogen is very important for strength and joint cushioning, I never bother with an AI.

Remember that Bodybuilders are obsessed with how they look and bodyfat %, powerlifters are obsessed with what they can lift.

 

[Thrawn]

What I often see on a local bodybuilding forum is that they tell people to not use steroids untill they're below 15% bodyfat. From what I know is that with higher bodyfat percentages the conversion to estrogen is (or could be) higher than on lower percentages.

But what about powerlifters who often are, well, a bit 'fatter'?
Do they need to take an AI more often? Or add compounds to blunt that higher estrogen conversion?

Often DHT-derivated compounds are used because of the effects on neurological drive and possible AI use. Like masteron for example.

Should we really 'worry' about using steroids at 20% bodyfat or more?

Depends on your sport and goals. We could take lineman in football some of them are fat but strong as fuck. Taking steroids would greatly benefit what they do in their sport. In this case lineman use a lot of physics. After short fast burst of strength, the following factors come in play mass, inertia, motion, and energy. So the percent of body fat should not be a universal standard to determination if somebody should use.

 

[RedSalmon]

Those are some crazy amounts....

 

[bryan_usa]

2:1 ratio of test to primo or nandrolone is generally considered "safe enough" for long term protocol. Even safer bet and still get noticeable results would be 20-30mg maximum of primo or nandrolone (from anabolic doc).