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[RThoads]

By the way, even if these alleged "bad" results are accurate, everyone should ask themselves how "bad" was the situation really was?
Does anything in your life really change? would your results in the gym really be any different? Was anything dangerous or toxic exposed in these results?
The reaction in the results thread (were the source really cannot defend itself) and damage to the business here was disproportional.

Everyone could have explained and explored the possible reasons for the results, or, even if you don't understand that there may have been an error, you could have explained that the results don't show anything significant or dramatic.
But, instead of being reasonable, the first few guys that reacted pounces on a chance to act very negative and dramatic and accuse the source of being bad. So of course, the sheep will follow because of the cognitive bias that was established and the need to fit in with the crowd.
If the first few guys were calm and explained what I will explain, most people would have reacted much differently.

You can see that a lot of guys only read the first post so no matter what happens after that or what details are discussed, the damage is done -- congrats, your reactions (not BigJP or the results) hurt one of the best AAS sources you will ever find.

This is a strange place where most of the people here use AAS, but then they act like the hate AAS sources.

Maybe one day the haters will get their way and all the AAS sources will go under -- what a victory. We will show those nasty sources, that produce the products we all want, what's up.
Then, all us AAS users can celebrate having no access to AAS.

Ahh, time will tell -- especially with the lack of raw materials -- the future is going to be interesting. I have a front row seat to watch how it all unfolds.

I haven't done it until now, because I really didn't want to waste more time debating random names on a website, but let's crunch the actual numbers to see how tragic this historic situation was that traumatized people like it was Pearl Harbor or Covid.

Keep in mind that +/- 10% has been the widely accepted tolerance for many years including the pass/fail threshold for testing projects such as AnabolicLab.
Therefore a 90% to %110 would have been considered a good result.

Trigger warning: don't look at the math or anything else stated below if you're easily offended and dramatic, you've been warned so get ready to clutch your pearls and act traumatized like something really significant in life just happened...

TEST-E300:
258.28 / 300 = 86%

MIX-M:
163.68 / 200 = 82%
82.86 / 100 = 83%

NPP:
89.13 / 100 = 89%

Some of these were very close to being in the acceptable range to have been considered a "pass." Who knows if we sent a few samples from each batch, what would the averages look like?

But as I have already said, even if the results are true, nothing there shows any dangerous risks -- the results don't even claim that the wrong AAS were used.

That is not the same as having the wrong active agent or dangerous contamination. I respect anyone is free to disagree (no one is forced to shop here) but I will still be using these products even if the results were accurate, and I still consider this one of the best sources of which I'm aware. (on a side note, I really don't have other sources right now, so if you're very confident that you know of a much better option than what I have, anyone is free to shoot me a PM and let me know about it -- I have helped a lot of guys here, so its fair if people help me too, and it never hurts for me to have some other options).

So, I feel like people are just excited to pounce on any opportunity to bash this source, and I don't understand why. It’s as if they are excited and want to see Basicstero have a problem -- as if they want there to be a problem here, but I don't understand why?

To be clear, and I've already said it many times before but people seem to want to misunderstand me to make drama, so I'll say it again...
I'm not blaming @BigJP for any of it -- I thanked him.
He was completely calm and kind to me every time I've ever talked to him. He didn't get all offended or dramatic like some guys here.
If more people here were like him, this would be a much better community.

 

[RThoads]

Haven't followed recent developments, but I Jano blind tested two of their products in the past (Test E, Mast E) and both came back as what they were supposed to be, slightly overdosed (5-10%).

I found these recent results from a customer posted on Reddit.
There are many years of good results, including blind results from the source itself and from anonymous customers.
If there was a problem, thousands of customers around the world wouldn't still be buying from this source for over a decade.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Basicstero/comments/1ntrn1r/masteron_and_primo_results/


These results on Reddit are most likely from the same batch everyone is upset about. I think this because there are no more Drostanolone raw materials anywhere, so new batches cannot be produced. The Reddit results are from around the same time BigJP made his order. Therefore, it is reasonable to think they may be from the same batch.

 

[Isrrike]

I found these recent results from a customer posted on Reddit.
There are many years of good results, including blind results from the source itself and from anonymous customers.
If there was a problem, thousands of customers around the world wouldn't still be buying from this source for over a decade.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Basicstero/comments/1ntrn1r/masteron_and_primo_results/


These results on Reddit are most likely from the same batch everyone is upset about. I think this because there are no more Drostanolone raw materials anywhere, so new batches cannot be produced. The Reddit results are from around the same time BigJP made his order. Therefore, it is reasonable to think they may be from the same batch.

The test 300 batch tested was produced in 2024. Do you know if there are any other batches in circulation made after this batch? I’m assuming because PCOM is so big they probably made tens of thousands during this batch. Will definitely help clear some things up

 

[Braxxii]

I don't know for sure, but from everything I see about the topic, to the best of my understanding, I think the situation will eventually affect most, if not all, AAS. If something does not change soon, real AAS may become extremely rare and difficult to get. Without access to high-quality raw materials, sources cannot produce products.

On you and the guys at pharmacom it sounds like this is the end of the steroid business, how can other producers restock drostalone and so on but you can’t? All raws are not bad either, a lot of janoshik reports showing 96+ purity.

No hate, just intresting to hear your point of view. I have seen a lot of lab results in a telegram group on pharmacom and all results are spot on.

 

[RThoads]

On you and the guys at pharmacom it sounds like this is the end of the steroid business, how can other producers restock drostalone and so on but you can’t? All raws are not bad either, a lot of janoshik reports showing 96+ purity.

No hate, just intresting to hear your point of view. I have seen a lot of lab results in a telegram group on pharmacom and all results are spot on.

I think other source have two options -- this is just my opinion, not accusing anyone specific of anything.

1) work with the raws they already have -- many sources have a big stockpile of some raws that were purchased before the shutdowns.
Fro example, Pharmacom Labs still made some new batches of some products this year from raw materials that they already have.

2) Some source's may just either lie or may have been victims themselves of a scam from a raw supplier.

Sources usually buy big amounts of raws when they restock. So, one purchase of raws may last some sources a few years -- or maybe many years for very small sources that do not make a lot of finished products.
Therefore, it is very possible for sources to still have stockpiles of previously acquired raws. When the exciting raw materials finally run out, then they cannot make new batches.

Someone in Pharmacom Labs explained to me that they recently tried to purchase some new TEST-E raws and internal testing showed the sample was only 0.5% testosterone.
There are other reports of such things, and the recent Jano interview said that out of 20 samples that day, all 20 were complete failure.

I am not sure how or why other sources are not being as transparent about the raw material situation.
I really have no interaction with any other sources in recent years.

Please tell me, from your experience, are other source mentioning that they are out-of-stock and not able to get raws? Or, do they say there are no problems?

 

[RThoads]

The test 300 batch tested was produced in 2024. Do you know if there are any other batches in circulation made after this batch? I’m assuming because PCOM is so big they probably made tens of thousands during this batch. Will definitely help clear some things up

I have to go right now to get some food. Someone is waiting for me.
But, I will check to see what is the date on the most recent TEST-E I received. I bought some right before it went out-of-stock, so there is a good chance I have the most recent batch.
I'll check what I have and reply again about it tonight when I get back online.

 

[thepipisreal]

On you and the guys at pharmacom it sounds like this is the end of the steroid business, how can other producers restock drostalone and so on but you can’t? All raws are not bad either, a lot of janoshik reports showing 96+ purity.

No hate, just intresting to hear your point of view. I have seen a lot of lab results in a telegram group on pharmacom and all results are spot on.

I've used PPL and Pharmacom for UGL gear for years and tested a few of their products which always came back legit. I also know they're two of the largest reputable UGLs.

If those guys can't get Drostanolone and PPL seems to be completely out of most esters of Test, I'd be extremely suspicious of anyone claiming to have legit gear at this point.

Not saying it's not possible as there's always a way (perhaps India, other sources in China, etc...), but I can tell you that for the foreseeable future I'm not injecting anything from a vial I haven't sent a 1mL sample of to Jano.

 

[thepipisreal]

I found these recent results from a customer posted on Reddit.
There are many years of good results, including blind results from the source itself and from anonymous customers.
If there was a problem, thousands of customers around the world wouldn't still be buying from this source for over a decade.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Basicstero/comments/1ntrn1r/masteron_and_primo_results/


These results on Reddit are most likely from the same batch everyone is upset about. I think this because there are no more Drostanolone raw materials anywhere, so new batches cannot be produced. The Reddit results are from around the same time BigJP made his order. Therefore, it is reasonable to think they may be from the same batch.

That would make sense. I test as much as possible because no one is infallible and I'm not blind trusting anyone, especially in this current situation, but I've never had a bad experience with PL, customer service and shipping included.

 

[RThoads]

The test 300 batch tested was produced in 2024. Do you know if there are any other batches in circulation made after this batch? I’m assuming because PCOM is so big they probably made tens of thousands during this batch. Will definitely help clear some things up

I have to go right now to get some food. Someone is waiting for me.
But, I will check to see what is the date on the most recent TEST-E I received. I bought some right before it went out-of-stock, so there is a good chance I have the most recent batch.
I'll check what I have and reply again about it tonight when I get back online.

@Isrrike I'm sorry, I checked but don't have any of it left here. Myself and a buddy often resell and trade some things locally and I also try to keep my home mostly clean in case of any potential legal risks. I thought I still had some here, but it looks like we let it go already. Also, I checked and that last order of it was from a domestic warehouse, so it may not have been from the most recent batch anyway because it had to already have been at the domestic warehouse sitting for a while.

If anyone else I know still has some or has bought it very recently, I will check.

I'm thinking of getting some TEST-U250 the next time I order. I want to have a stash of TEST-U for long term TRT. I'll try to remember to take note of the production date on it if I end up getting some.

 

[RThoads]

I've used PPL and Pharmacom for UGL gear for years and tested a few of their products which always came back legit. I also know they're two of the largest reputable UGLs.

If those guys can't get Drostanolone and PPL seems to be completely out of most esters of Test, I'd be extremely suspicious of anyone claiming to have legit gear at this point.

Not saying it's not possible as there's always a way (perhaps India, other sources in China, etc...), but I can tell you that for the foreseeable future I'm not injecting anything from a vial I haven't sent a 1mL sample of to Jano.

I'm not very familiar with PPL but I thought I saw that they used to sell raws.
Maybe I'm mistaken. But, if they did sell raws, and they're alos out-of-stock, it should tell people that the situation is serious when raw material sellers don't have stock.

 

[thepipisreal]

I'm not very familiar with PPL but I thought I saw that they used to sell raws.
Maybe I'm mistaken. But, if they did sell raws, and they're alos out-of-stock, it should tell people that the situation is serious when raw material sellers don't have stock.

They sell both raws and oils (of high quality from what I used and tested of their products), and right now they're completely out of AAS raws (including any Test ester) and completely out of Test injectables except for some vials of Test Isocaproate. No Test P/E/C/U at all.

So yeah, that to me is really serious