Yes from Basicstero. You’ll see on my account and in our DM convo history I’ve been ordering from there since 2015.
This was ORDER #E1VET36C
Thank you. I sent this info to Basicstero customer support.
But, now I see everyone is already past that and active here in the thread communicating directly.
So, I’m going to write a long-detailed reply here. It may take me a long time and most people won’t even take the time to read it.
I’m writing it all because I care and want to see all parties involved resolved this.
I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong on purpose and I also don’t think Pharmacom Labs made three batches of significantly underdosed products.
Therefore, I simply don’t think the results are accurate and I try to explain the possibilities without any accusation that any party involved did anything wrong on purpose.
But, after seeing the posts about the vials, I do suspect the transfer to different vials is the most likely source of the inaccuracy.
It would be way easier for me to just log off and go do something more positive tonight, if I didn’t care; so, I hope that if nothing else, at least my time invested here will let everyone know that I’m trying to get it right for everyone involved.
I’m guessing he took some out of your vial, put in a sample vial and sent that to jano to be tested. That’s how everyone does it so they don’t have to give their entire product to jano as he only needs a ml or so. I’m not sure what you think jano can say.
Okay! We are not accusing you of being a scammer. I am simply responding to you in a reasoned manner as a rep of the brand. I see that you are a long-time customer of ours. We will soon send a batch to the Jano laboratory for testing!
It’s a difficult situation and easy for everyone here to get stressed.
I understand how customers, the community, and the source may feel from each of their points-of-view.
I'm a customer too and use these products; I've also sent samples for testing, and I've been here for a long time; so, I understand how customers feel.
I've also worked with source's, mostly worked for Basicstero for almost a decade now, one but have helped a few other friends here and there over the years, and understand what the source deals with every day -- you guys can't imagine how many scam attempts, stress, and other bullshit sources deal with.
Please let me make it clear: I am not accusing anyone here, not the customer nor the source, of anything. I just want to figure out the situation and help everyone.
The more I think about it and compare to other results etc. The more I think there is something strange here and maybe the results are not the most accurate. I don't know what may have caused this.
The parties involved in these results are: the customer, the source, and the analytic lab. Any of these parties can make mistake (I am not accusing anyone of anything on purpose, but any one of us can all make mistakes).
Of course, the source can make mistakes and maybe they did, but this source has a lot of analytic reports for many years and its own internal testing, so it is strange that these are suddenly all underdosed. So, I find it unlikely this source has three different products (the productions dates are likely from different days, weeks, even different months)
Jano’s staff, while they may not like the statement (and, again, I am not accusing anything, just stating the possibilities) are also human and can make mistakes, but again it would be strange to make mistakes on three completely different samples. Therefore, I find it very unlikely Jano’s lab made the mistakes here.
And, like everyone else, the customer can make mistakes. The source has already mentioned that the samples are not brand-new unopened vials.
Transferring the contents to different vials introduces additional variables that make it impossible to be sure the sample is same as how it came from the original source.
I am sure Jano can confirm that transfer can introduce potential sources of errors.
I’ll say it again because I understand people’s feeling can be involved: I am just stating the possibilities here, not making accusations.
No one can be sure how clean the final vials were or if they introduce any error.
No one can be sure if anything was added or subtracted to the samples (not an accusation, just an obvious possibility when the samples are not brand-new unopened products, so please consider what it looks like from the source’s point-of-view).
No one can be sure if the contents of the sample came from the Pharmacom Labs products (see my next point).
No one can be sure that the samples sent to Jano are the samples prepared in the video.
All I can be sure of is that these results are very different that the many other results we have all seen over the years – and, that just doesn’t make much sense to me.
As soon as the samples are not an unopened original product, there are a lot of possibilities for corruption and/or accidental unintended errors.
While I do not have any accusation of what may have caused the error, I do believe the transfer is the most likely place error may have been introduced.
I think these results are not accurate. Something happened and it effected the end results.
Although, I don’t have the answers, and I may not be able to resolve this, I care and would like to see it resolved in a way that helps everyone involved.
The big problem I see (and I mentioned earlier) is that I’m not sure about availability of new batches because there may not be raw materials anymore.
The only other result I could find for the MIX-M from that time period is this result of Reddit (link below). It is a very good result.
But, unfortunately, the guy that posted it did not show the entire page so I am currently not able to verify it on Jano's site. I don’t have any experience with Reddit though, so I'm trying to figure out a way to verify this result.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Basicstero/comments/1ntrn1r/masteron_and_primo_results/
I can see the source reacted strongly here at first.
Please try to put yourself in the shoes of a source for a moment to understand their perspective too and understand why someone may react defensively, especially when they may perceive that their business (which they often poured most of their time into) and is there means of income, are under attack.
Like the other parties mentioned, sources are just human with emotions, and for many this is their source of income and lively hood (how they support their families and put food on the table).
There is constant bullshit with people trying to rip off sources, get things for free, get things for discounts, etc. There are also constant legal risks and additional challenges most other business do not have to endure.
I have seen guys super glue caps back on vials to try to scam.
I have seen guys try to reseal shipping containers after they removed products to try to scam.
I have seen guys use wrong addresses on purpose to try to scam.
I have seen guys make up fake medical issues to try to scam.
I have seen guys add contaminants and particles to vials to try to scam.
Now, the big one that most customer can’t relate to so they may not even consider it, many scams are not from customer trying to profit or get something… There are a lot of scams just to bash sources for the sake of causing problems for the business.
The most basic and common are just when guys make an order to then make complaints are try to hinder the business. Sometimes its trolls but most of the time it is from competitors and paid shills.
But, I have seen many instances of much more sophisticated attacks to try to hurt businesses (I have evidence that, without a doubt, there are organized rings of scammer that just exploit sources, and sometimes even the discussion board admins).
Sadly, all of our talks here, and any of this topic, may not even matter soon because, if the raw materials situation is not solved, no sources will be able to make anything.
I am not sure what will happen, but I suspect many source will not survive this, and our access to AAS may become exceptionally difficult.
