AllGoodThings
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Are there any compounds you would avoid taking alongside DHB for any reason? I'm wanting to add it in, but I'm already taking quite a bit, and I'm not sure if it'll be problematic for any reason.
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bigdaddyandfriends
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Not that I can think of although both primo or EQ would be superfluouswith DHB already in the cycle unless relying on them for estrogen control. I just use aromasin for that as it works far better for me. Mast is very different than primo, I usually run it with test at 1:1 ratio. Availability seems to be increasing too.
I've been using DHB w/ RIP bend (testP, mastP, trenA), plus MENT and (inj) winstrol for the past few weeks in preparation for a Hawaii trip. This has gotten me to 195 lbs with < 10% BF. Nothing to brag about in bodybuilder world, but I'm 57yo so that's very far away from where my body wants to be naturally, and only ~ 5mg/kg/wk total anabolics.
I've gotten about as lean as I can with some help from Reta + Cagri, so was planning to finally try a little bulking this winter. I may well try a cruise with 140 ea test, mast, and DHB + 35mg MENT per week for that. I'll give tren a long overdue break, but will add 35mg back in if I start putting on fat.
fit2beking
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I also like running DHB. Will you be doing daily injections when you cruise including the MENT? I think I’m going back to 3 days a week versus daily pins when blasting. Daily pinning is getting to be a damn drag. My last run was 750 Test C 300 DHB, 300 Mast E. I’m cruising on 250 Test C, pinning twice weekly. Probably going to cruise till feb. Trying to decide on what compounds to run. Test mast eq or test mast tren or test mast npp. Been years since I’ve ran npp. If I run the npp probably only run it low dose 150mg.
bigdaddyandfriends
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Yes I do daily injections. I work from home and it’s just part of my daily routine. I don’t mind it as it’s a single 0.5cc syringe of oil per day, and found a few painless spots to rotate between.
DHB would obviously be fine to inject less frequently, I use mostly shortly esters for other things as I have fewer lissues with daily peaks/troughs than steady levels. Particularly with HCT and E2.
DHB would obviously be fine to inject less frequently, I use mostly shortly esters for other things as I have fewer lissues with daily peaks/troughs than steady levels. Particularly with HCT and E2.
how much of a fluctuation have you noticed in hct by switching to daily injections at that dose? I’m assuming you’re doing IM?
bigdaddyandfriends
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Yes
With test/mast prop and tren/ment ace, I’d say it’s pretty significant… which is good in that you can time the trough for better sleep at night. At least for me, test P seems to convert relatively more to DHT than estradiol than longer esters.
Ment us in and out very fast as there is no SHBG binding, and it’s in MCT oil which absorbs fast. I actually dose it twice a day, once am with my other compounds and once pm preworkout.
All oil goes IM. Water based I try to do subQ, including winstrol suspension. It’s not bad at all subQ when diluted with L-carn, Helios, MIC-B12, etc. Not doing it IM again after a bad shot last year!
I do think for strictly BB purposes steady levels ie long esters are better. But for HRT, libido, and health markers the daily fluctuations are more natural and better tolerated. Normal test levels vary about 30% during the day when young and flatten out with advancing age… also get higher blood level spikes with short esters as they have more compound (less ester weight per mg) and of course release faster.
MutenRoshii
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I’ve only ever used Bayer Primo from Turkiye and enanthate from Serbian pharmacies (I have family and friends there), so this is my first time dealing with an underground lab since Bayer stopped producing Rimobolan. I’m a bit nervous, but the packaging looks clean and professional. I’ll see how the results and the lab tests turn out. Thanks
bigdaddyandfriends
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Opti Primo is GTG. He is one of a few sources on Meso, and a few from other boards I use that I consider equal to if not better than pharma.
I haven't had the best luck with primo but think I know the reason why - I just have not run enough of it. It is degraded by 3⍺-HSD1 (based on its prevalent metabolites) and probably need enough mg to overwhelm and saturate that enzyme which was not happening at the doses I ran (up to 350mg/wk). At the lower doses I used it behaves more like Proviron, which it is structurally similar to; they are the only two AAS with c1-methylation, both orally bioavability, and primo based on DHB rather than DHT A-ring. And I seem to be immune to the E2 modulating effect from primobolan, as well as boldenone. Since Aromasin is oral and works efficiently for this purpose, for which it was specifically designed, I just use that now - dosed properly it basically turns one from a high aromatizer into a low aromatizer.
I generally try to avoid high doses of long ester compounds as that seems to be what is primarily responsible for hematocrit issues - referring specifically to primo, EQ, and test. Shorter esters of compounds run at lower mg (ie tren and MENT ace, DHB too although longer ester) don't seem to do have the same effect on me. No issues with mast E either although I haven't run it particularly high, and of late I have been using mast P.
I haven't had the best luck with primo but think I know the reason why - I just have not run enough of it. It is degraded by 3⍺-HSD1 (based on its prevalent metabolites) and probably need enough mg to overwhelm and saturate that enzyme which was not happening at the doses I ran (up to 350mg/wk). At the lower doses I used it behaves more like Proviron, which it is structurally similar to; they are the only two AAS with c1-methylation, both orally bioavability, and primo based on DHB rather than DHT A-ring. And I seem to be immune to the E2 modulating effect from primobolan, as well as boldenone. Since Aromasin is oral and works efficiently for this purpose, for which it was specifically designed, I just use that now - dosed properly it basically turns one from a high aromatizer into a low aromatizer.
I generally try to avoid high doses of long ester compounds as that seems to be what is primarily responsible for hematocrit issues - referring specifically to primo, EQ, and test. Shorter esters of compounds run at lower mg (ie tren and MENT ace, DHB too although longer ester) don't seem to do have the same effect on me. No issues with mast E either although I haven't run it particularly high, and of late I have been using mast P.
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Minimum order just went up to $500 unless it’s peptides ect. New message shows up when you go to the website today.
Opti has the problem all businesses would love to have. Too much business. All good imo. Hopefully it’ll keep the inventory in place more consistently.
Minimum order just went up to $500 unless it’s peptides ect. New message shows up when you go to the website today.
Opti has the problem all businesses would love to have. Too much business. All good imo. Hopefully it’ll keep the inventory in place more consistently.
BiggD
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Couple months back Opti gave me a bonus gift of a box of White Tops HGH. Does anyone know how many IUs are in those?
BiggD
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Thanks and did you try them out yet?
Jsilk757
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I do 5.5iu per day, so they were too small for me. I traded them to a close friend. He used the whole kit, no issue
Flatriggerman
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I'm glad I read this. I have one of these kits and thought he meant 40iu per vial. It makes no sense to have 4iu per vial.
Jsilk757
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I wish he giving out 400iu kits!! But free is free, and always appreciate top notch customer service that he provides
BiggD
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Guessing it’s a sample kit. Loved the price (FREE) and always appreciate the awesome quality HGH and service Opti has provided me over the years.
BiggD
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Totally! 400iu free kit would be killer!
TRT
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So it’s bullshit? I guess it’s bullshit when the contents of your pack fell out and they didn’t know what they were looking at so they stuck it back in and sent it.
Now, they know what they’re looking at cause you just let the cat out of the bag. LEO has been tipped off on far less. Its members like you is why there’s an etiquette around making posts that you got your pack. Short and sweet.
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