On Cycle Ancillaries + Supplements

[oldage]

RHR isn’t an indicator of needing heart meds though, you can have a high RHR with low blood pressure and the telm would be doing you a disservice. (I’m this way) check your BP every morning

I’d save the nebov for future emergencies rather than preemptively. Same with the Ezetimbe, other ways to lower your LDL before picking up the meds, upping the fish oil or some red yeast rice.

Red yeast rice is a statin. Except you cant control the exact dosage. Not a good recommendation. This is old school. Red rice yeast should be avoided in most cases and actually use a statin since we have access to them and newer ones have minimal to no side effects.

 

[argmax]

What dose of Pitavastatin do you take?

2mg ED

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Not sure why I died laughing at you adding “(with snack)” to your afternoon supplement protocol, but I did haha.

All good protocols are created with blood work and regular BG and BP testing in mind to guide you.

I take Telmisartan 80mg and Ezetimibe 10mg and will likely add in Pitavastatin at 2mg or 4mg for a better lipid profile. Telmisartan usually does it for my on cycle and off cycle, but I’m considering a calcium channel blocker to stack with if BP becomes a problem with increasing body weight and cardio isn’t doing the trick.

OTC supplements I find value in are:

EPA/DHA
CoQ-10
D3K2
TUDCA (if blasting hepatotoxic compounds)

Doing more research into Astragalus to see if it’s worth the coin for kidney health.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

Yo guys what’s the best pharma for liver support?

 

[frofrank]

Doing more research into Astragalus to see if it’s worth the coin for kidney health.

450 grams of it on nutricost for $15, Ive seen a lot of guys in here with good results from it but haven't done further research besides what those that know better than me say.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

450 grams of it on nutricost for $15, Ive seen a lot of guys in here with good results from it but haven't done further research besides what those that know better than me say.

I’m gonna have to grab me some of that

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Yo guys what’s the best pharma for liver support?

You’re not going to exactly go the pharma route for that.

TUDCA
Injectable Glutathione

That’s about as good as it’s going to get. In efforts to avoid spoon feeding, you’ll need to research dosage protocols and find what works best for you. I will never skip out on both when running oral steroids, and plan on running injectable Glutathione EOD for the foreseeable future not only for liver support, but the other amazing benefits it comes with, that I also highly suggest you research.

Some swear by NAC, but its oral bioavailability is extremely low. It’s relatively cheap though, so could be worth throwing in, but many who take the former two can do away with it entirely.

 

[GenetX]

Out of all the ancillaries - Which ones would you guys say are your most essential to always have? Especially while blasting. Some of the more mentioned ones I keep seeing are Pitavistatin, Telmisartan+Ciln, Nebivolol, Bemp Acid, and Ezetimibe. Are these like the foundational grail? Always run? For some perspective - I have a RHR that is often too high and tachycardic although not concerning to doctors. Have always been like this even before AAS.... So I want to protect myself. Thoughts?

I've been going down this rabbit hole prepping for my next blast and realized I have a list of like 20+ ancillaries I want to buy - and I would like to really know what are the most necessary and effective. A lot of good information on harm-reduction here. I didn't know I could actually take some meds that can help regulate my organ health. Some of the heart/cardiovasc meds really look promising. Already have TUDCA and NAC on hand along with a good amount of all the vitamins listed here. Have KR Glutathione and CoQ10 on the way. I have been making a huge list of tablets mentioned on here that I am going to place an order to and Indian Pharm.

I'm like a kid in a candy store and I'm overwhelmed with choice.

 

[frofrank]

Out of all the ancillaries - Which ones would you guys say are your most essential to always have? Especially while blasting. Some of the more mentioned ones I keep seeing are Pitavistatin, Telmisartan+Ciln, Nebivolol, Bemp Acid, and Ezetimibe. Are these like the foundational grail? Always run?

You have a pretty solid list there those definitely are the main ones. A couple others I have on hand are propanol, artovastatin, cabergoline. If you have all your serms and AIs already if not I’d add those to the list, and non related but good to throw in the order some accutane.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

You have a pretty solid list there those definitely are the main ones. A couple others I have on hand are propanol, artovastatin, cabergoline. If you have all your serms and AIs already if not I’d add those to the list, and non related but good to throw in the order some accutane.

Seeing how pitivastin does both the things that bemp and neb do is it really necessary to get those two? Same with neb when you already have telm, seems like you’re taking more stuff doing the same thing.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

You have a pretty solid list there those definitely are the main ones. A couple others I have on hand are propanol, artovastatin, cabergoline. If you have all your serms and AIs already if not I’d add those to the list, and non related but good to throw in the order some accutane.

Also, I’m speaking in the context of myself, which I have no bp issues, no kidney or liver issues, etc. I’m just getting Pharms and supps as preventative measures and to mitigate every single thing I possibly can.

 

[Raww]

Seeing how pitivastin does both the things that bemp and neb do is it really necessary to get those two? Same with neb when you already have telm, seems like you’re taking more stuff doing the same thing.

As for the lipids - strictly? No.

My doc and insurance company, following standard protocols wanted me to start with the statin only and wanted me to have to progress to the highest dose of that statin and show that it did not control the lipids. They wanted that before they wanted to rx the Ez and Bemp.

One of the reasons people go with the combo straight off - is that they can run a low dose statin, the ez+bempe and get the results of a high dose statin without the side effects of the high dose statin.

Another is that EZ and Bemp both work on different pathways. And overall the combo may be more efficient at dropping your lipids depending up exactly which manner in which your body personally is pulling in the cholesterol. There's a very informative thread here somewhere that discusses the differences.

 

[extraz1]

Got most ROA from Pitavastatin or Rosuvastatin for Lipids, Nebivolol for BP & HR (although telmisartan is better for controlling bp, however nebivolol also lowers my RHR which I need), and Eplerenone for potential bloat & LVH prevention.

Yeah I've been thinking about my options and I might go with Nebivolol.

Eplerenone is a diuretic correct? I've seen people say it's dangerous to take long term and often due to it harming your kidneys. Thoughts?

 

[extraz1]

Not sure why I died laughing at you adding “(with snack)” to your afternoon supplement protocol, but I did haha.

All good protocols are created with blood work and regular BG and BP testing in mind to guide you.

I take Telmisartan 80mg and Ezetimibe 10mg and will likely add in Pitavastatin at 2mg or 4mg for a better lipid profile. Telmisartan usually does it for my on cycle and off cycle, but I’m considering a calcium channel blocker to stack with if BP becomes a problem with increasing body weight and cardio isn’t doing the trick.

OTC supplements I find value in are:

EPA/DHA
CoQ-10
D3K2
TUDCA (if blasting hepatotoxic compounds)

Doing more research into Astragalus to see if it’s worth the coin for kidney health.

Hahah I like my snack time. Might add Pitavastatin.

My fish oil has epa + dha, and coq10 is in my stack too. I've seen research that Coq2 (ubiquinol) is processed a lot better than Coq10. You can find some studies online.
TUDCA and D3K2 is also in my stack.

Thanks for the advice man

 

[Doorknocker]

You’re not going to exactly go the pharma route for that.

TUDCA
Injectable Glutathione

That’s about as good as it’s going to get. In efforts to avoid spoon feeding, you’ll need to research dosage protocols and find what works best for you. I will never skip out on both when running oral steroids, and plan on running injectable Glutathione EOD for the foreseeable future not only for liver support, but the other amazing benefits it comes with, that I also highly suggest you research.

Some swear by NAC, but its oral bioavailability is extremely low. It’s relatively cheap though, so could be worth throwing in, but many who take the former two can do away with it entirely.

U run the glutathione ED when on cycle?

 

[Doorknocker]

Doing a trial run with the bioregulator peptide Ovagen. Gonna monitor blood each month and see if it makes a difference in liver enzyme numbers

 

[syuri]

…I honestly see Astaxanthin as a non-negotiable supplement, fights oxidative stress, prevents excitotoxicity, protects endothelial function, has suggested benefits against neurotoxicity, and much more

I take 24mg daily but 12mgs is plenty

 

[2ndchancesNK]

U run the glutathione ED when on cycle?

I honestly would if I had the injection sites for it. It’s not something I personally will take SubQ because I lump up from it so I need at least shallow IM. My current plan on cycle is AAS injections Mon/Wed/Fri and L-Carnitine 1ml/600mg and Glutathione 1ml/400mg on Tues/Thurs/Sat. That’s enough needles for me after HGH and GLOW ED.

Off cycle I may increase the frequency, but it is definitely something I will plan to run long term for overall health. Looking back over the years, I have found correlation with being in my best general health and having sustained energy and positive mood while taking it. It works wonders for me.

If your curious to learn more about it slough of benefits, I highly suggest The Glutathione Revolution by Nayan Patel.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

…I honestly see Astaxanthin as a non-negotiable supplement, fights oxidative stress, prevents excitotoxicity, protects endothelial function, has suggested benefits against neurotoxicity, and much more

I take 24mg daily but 12mgs is plenty

Forgot about Astaxanthin! Think I may have to stack that along with the Glutathione.

 

[Doorknocker]

I honestly would if I had the injection sites for it. It’s not something I personally will take SubQ because I lump up from it so I need at least shallow IM. My current plan on cycle is AAS injections Mon/Wed/Fri and L-Carnitine 1ml/600mg and Glutathione 1ml/400mg on Tues/Thurs/Sat. That’s enough needles for me after HGH and GLOW ED.

Off cycle I may increase the frequency, but it is definitely something I will plan to run long term for overall health. Looking back over the years, I have found correlation with being in my best general health and having sustained energy and positive mood while taking it. It works wonders for me.

If your curious to learn more about it slough of benefits, I highly suggest The Glutathione Revolution by Nayan Patel.

Excellent plan u got going. Do 200 mg MWF but if liver markers are up I increase that to daily. I’ll definetly check out ur reccomendation