old school-winstrol only?

[DrMCM]

20 years ago I did one 6 week cycle of Winstrol tabs only, then followed a few weeks later with a cycle of Winstrol stacked with deca. Man, after looking at this board, things have really changed. The gains I made on those cycles were amazing. My questions are:

1) Does anyone still do Winstrol tabs by themselves, if so , what is the cycle?

2) Do you need to do anti-E's afterward?

I don't mind doing injectables, but the tabs just seem a lot easier.
It is my understanding Winny has fewer side effects. Is this true?

I am 46, have worked out all my life and would like to put on 10 lbs quality muscle. No contests in my future, just want to be a little bigger and at this age the gains are agonizingly slow.

All suggestions or comments are appreciated.

 

[tomrob]

Don't talk about taking tabs here, you'll get flamed most probably

 

[atlmo]

Winstrol isnt a great mass builder it is used now adays for hardening and "cutting". Your best bet woulod be test and deca or test and XXXXXX.

Edit should read test and deca or test and equipose

Don't talk about taking tabs here, you'll get flamed most probably

 

[stevemac]

no need for anti estrogen on winny, it doesnt convert to estrogen. It can be hard on the liver but not if you take it like a normal person. keep in mind its aa-17 steroid.

 

[armsports]

Most people don't favor oral-only cycles. That winny would go alot better with some test,eq, or tren.

 

[sintar]

DrMCM, as you can see a lot of things have changed. I did a winny cycle only 29 years ago and had great results. I'm thinking of doing it again. Winny alone seems to put on size no matter if its fat and muscle. I say go for it again. My first winny cycle was only 5 mgs a day. These days guys are doing 50mgs ED with a least 500mgs of injectable test. I think I'm going to try a 30mg a day only cycle soon.

 

[Haggard]

Your best bet woulod be test and deca or test and enthanate.

Test and Enanthate??? Enanthate is just the ester.........How bout just some test enanthate...Im sure you meant that but just makin sure.

 

[wolfman]

Well, it seems as though you want to go with what's worked for you in the past...even though it may seem unconventional to a lot of people nowadays...If all you're looking for is 10 lbs. LBM then that could be attained with a winstrol only cycle provided that training and diet are in order...I'm not sure if you're familiar with post cycle therapy, but it needs to be included even if you only take winstrol...do a search on clomid or nolvadex if this is blurry to you...Good luck

-wolfman

20 years ago I did one 6 week cycle of Winstrol tabs only, then followed a few weeks later with a cycle of Winstrol stacked with deca. Man, after looking at this board, things have really changed. The gains I made on those cycles were amazing. My questions are:

1) Does anyone still do Winstrol tabs by themselves, if so , what is the cycle?

2) Do you need to do anti-E's afterward?

I don't mind doing injectables, but the tabs just seem a lot easier.
It is my understanding Winny has fewer side effects. Is this true?

I am 46, have worked out all my life and would like to put on 10 lbs quality muscle. No contests in my future, just want to be a little bigger and at this age the gains are agonizingly slow.

All suggestions or comments are appreciated.

 

[tomo]

If it's been awhile, winstrol only at 30mg ed should do the trick--tomo

 

[Deacon]

if you used winny a long time ago alone and had good gains it was your first cycle? or maybe second? If it has been a long time you could also get some good gains off of it again alone.

IMO you wont need post recovery meds and you should not have any sides on a normal dose 20to30mgs per day.

 

[kemo]

Good Question

Dr.

I understand what you mean about the old days....however I think boards like this have allowed us to advance our knowledge a good bit. Now we have access to hundreds of other people who can do "research" for us.

Winny is a good AAS for strength gains, but not for mass. Since it lacks the 3-Keto group, it doesn't bind well to the androgen receptors, limiting the amount of mass you are going to get on a cycle. However, like I said it does give you incredible gains in strength (although not as well as d-bol). Most likely, the gains you seen in the past were a result of free receptors and increased strength allowing you to train harder.

You will probably get decent gains like you did before. However, if you are really shooting for some great gains in as short as time as possible, I would try something a little different. I assume since you are talking oral you have an because of the inconvenience of pins....nothing wrong with that, but be careful to take care of your liver when on an oral only stack. Plenty of water, no alcohol, and take some milk thistle.

Winstrol will not cause you to need Nolvadex, as it does not aromatize...however it does cause suppression of the HPTA if you take enough for long enough....therefore you may need clomid depending on your cycle. There are no real advantages to using Winstrol in regards to a lack of sides, except for the above noted estrogen effects.



With that said, I would look to something like the following stack. Since you are going to be taking d-bol, you will definitely need the Nolvadex:

d-Bol, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)
Winny, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)
Nolvadex 10mg/day. (10 weeks)
HCG Last 10 days of cycle at 1000/ day
Clomid at the end of your cycle.

If you want to go for the injectables, there are tons of other options....Most notabely Test+Deca or Tren.

Hope this helps,

Kemo

 

[atlmo]

Haggard good catch I meant test and deca or test and equipose.

Dr.

I understand what you mean about the old days....however I think boards like this have allowed us to advance our knowledge a good bit. Now we have access to hundreds of other people who can do "research" for us.

Winny is a good AAS for strength gains, but not for mass. Since it lacks the 3-Keto group, it doesn't bind well to the androgen receptors, limiting the amount of mass you are going to get on a cycle. However, like I said it does give you incredible gains in strength (although not as well as d-bol). Most likely, the gains you seen in the past were a result of free receptors and increased strength allowing you to train harder.

You will probably get decent gains like you did before. However, if you are really shooting for some great gains in as short as time as possible, I would try something a little different. I assume since you are talking oral you have an because of the inconvenience of pins....nothing wrong with that, but be careful to take care of your liver when on an oral only stack. Plenty of water, no alcohol, and take some milk thistle.

Winstrol will not cause you to need Nolvadex, as it does not aromatize...however it does cause suppression of the HPTA if you take enough for long enough....therefore you may need clomid depending on your cycle. There are no real advantages to using Winstrol in regards to a lack of sides, except for the above noted estrogen effects.



With that said, I would look to something like the following stack. Since you are going to be taking d-bol, you will definitely need the Nolvadex:

d-Bol, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)
Winny, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)
Nolvadex 10mg/day. (10 weeks)
HCG Last 10 days of cycle at 1000/ day
Clomid at the end of your cycle.

If you want to go for the injectables, there are tons of other options....Most notabely Test+Deca or Tren.

Hope this helps,

Kemo

 

[kwik98gt]

20 years ago I did one 6 week cycle of Winstrol tabs only, then followed a few weeks later with a cycle of Winstrol stacked with deca. Man, after looking at this board, things have really changed. The gains I made on those cycles were amazing. My questions are:

1) Does anyone still do Winstrol tabs by themselves, if so , what is the cycle?

2) Do you need to do anti-E's afterward?

I don't mind doing injectables, but the tabs just seem a lot easier.
It is my understanding Winny has fewer side effects. Is this true?

I am 46, have worked out all my life and would like to put on 10 lbs quality muscle. No contests in my future, just want to be a little bigger and at this age the gains are agonizingly slow.

All suggestions or comments are appreciated.

you have something against injecting? just curious as you didnt say. I say you hit 500mgs/wk of test. Not only will it work GREAT-but youll feel like a new man-especially at 46-i guarantee youll love it. Now-winstrol only @46 years old? think about how your joints(most likely)feel now. I doubt youll like the way your joints feel with winstrol alone. If your bent on using the 'strol-add atleast a low dose of deca to protect those joints.

 

[DrMCM]

Thanks for the words. This site rocks.

Nothing against injecting. Just looking for simplicity, both in deciding which drugs and obtaining them. Amen to the joint pain, ahh, to be 25 again.

I just found this site a week ago, I will keep reading and learning. It sure beats "talking to a guy at the gym".

 

[Deacon]

d-Bol, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)
Winny, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)



those two orals at 50 mgs for 10 weeks? You have got to be kidding me right? There is no way that is a safe cycle as far as liver concerns go - better to use some test for 10 weeks with the d-bol at the beginning of the cycle - 5 weeks - take one week off and then run the winny the last 4 weeks to harden up from any possible bloat from the d-bol.

And to me 50 mgs of winny sounds like a high dose anyway. d-bol at 50 I can live with just fine.

No flame here on the answer bro but two orals for that long at those doses aint for me.

test 500 mgs weeks 1-10
d-bol 50 mgs ED for 5 weeks (could even lower that to 40)
one week no orals
winny weeks 7-10 50mgs
This allows for strenght and size gains with the d-bol and test and then you can harden those gains with the winny at the end.

 

[Ronin_]

you have something against injecting? just curious as you didnt say. I say you hit 500mgs/wk of test. Not only will it work GREAT-but youll feel like a new man-especially at 46-i guarantee youll love it. Now-winstrol only @46 years old? think about how your joints(most likely)feel now. I doubt youll like the way your joints feel with winstrol alone. If your bent on using the 'strol-add atleast a low dose of deca to protect those joints.

Got to agree with that, winny is very harsh on your joints, though it is very cosmetic.

I'd use test @ 500mg too, and use arimidex so you keep tight and lean

 

[2small]

Cant get any simplier than 500mgs of test a week. Get long acting ester like enathate or cypinate and shoot it once a eek for 10 weeks or sustanon/Omnadren and do them 2x a week. You will not get the aching joints winny brings less stress on your liver and wood like you were 18. Let alone a ton of strength. Test is best.

 

[kemo]

O.k

d-Bol, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)
Winny, 50mg/day. (10 weeks)



those two orals at 50 mgs for 10 weeks? You have got to be kidding me right? There is no way that is a safe cycle as far as liver concerns go -

And to me 50 mgs of winny sounds like a high dose anyway. d-bol at 50 I can live with just fine.

No flame here on the answer bro but two orals for that long at those doses aint for me.

.

O.K. First, no flame taken.....I understand your concern.

I totally agree that this is a harsh cycle. However, like I said in my post, this is hard on the liver and precautions need to be taken. Also, I said this was the oral only cycle if you are opposed to pins....but I recommended something else if pins were o.k. Finally, I am assuming the Dr. is only going to do a single cycle in order to get some quick gains, and then back to natural. There are no findings to suggest a healthy individual will suffer any serious liver sides from a single cycle of only 10 weeks. I realize I made some assumptions here, but this post was specific for the Dr., not for your average Tom Dick and Harry.

As for Winny at 50mg, if you are staking it with something you won't want this much, however it will be beneficial to take this amount if you are only stacking with a single other AAS. A final point about Winstrol. Winny has been shown to be dramatically less hepatoxic than most 17-alpha alkylated substrates, hence the ability to run it at higher doses in an oral only cycle.

O.K. With all that being said, here is the bottom line: In the case of the Dr., my recommendation stands so long as he is not doing multiple cycles, he is taking care of his liver as I suggested, and he is in good health to begin with. For anybody else, go with my other recommendation and use the pins.

Hope this helps....

Kemo

 

[Deacon]

point taken and understood

 

[kemo]

O.k.

point taken and understood

I love you too man.

Kemo