Inkniron87
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What kinda doses of mast are we talking about for the strength effects. Most I’ve used is 600mg a week
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Ive noticed that from running Mast too. More drive and slightly more aggression. Personally cant hang with nandrolone these days.
I ran nandrolone a ton back when I used to powerlift. It doesnt do much for me at all these days. I train and compete in Strongman at a higher level and dont feel like it does anything for my joints or recovery. Cant say im in less pain running npp/deca for a Strongman comp compared back to my PL days. Strength gains only come from the bloating (whether thats good or bad is up to the user; its only good for static events)
I would imagine if someone is fairly lean they wouldnt mind the extra water retention or feel it as much of a negative. High test+DHT Or EQ/Test only makes me way more productive and generally just happier with life.
Nandrolone is just sad Testosterone
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Talmad
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Let them keep their primo! We be chase gains son! NPP and Decca with mast are king for me throw in 6 weeks Tbol to kick off and watch me grow while your waiting! I like primo and it has its spot but not for me!
Rogal69
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around the 6-800mg range for me personally. It’s not the main driver by any means but a helpful anabolic to implement. Test is still the main driver but I didn’t like running high Tren for a long time so I’d supplement with mast. Deca is used in the offseason for mass and joint help like kinda said before, then taper off with NPP and drop it for Mast pre meet was my usual.
BigDadd7
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Deca is a nightmare for me as I've gotten older. Bloat, acne, ed, and moody like a broad. I loved it when I was young. Everyone needs to find their compounds through trial and error.
Rogal69
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Dude YES. Deca is my favorite honestly. And I don’t like kickstarting with orals but everything else I agree lol
New2theGame!!
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Thank you, that was very informative.
Dial It In
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Yeah Deca and NPP when you bust that 40 mark and the old ticker aren’t a good combination. That left ventricle isn’t a fan especially with NPP
Talmad
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Im 50 be 51 soon! 200mg decca or NPP week and im golden
Dial It In
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Each their own on it of course. You should grab a scan though if you haven’t.
Talmad
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I have blood done every 12 weeks and every check up under the sun. I only run it 18 weeks every November through Feb take off spring and TRT year around. Just like run through winter months
bigdaddyandfriends
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Correct - If you look at its primary metabolites primo is heavily degraded by 3⍺-HSD just like DHT and its c1-methylated version, proviron. If doses are high enough that enzyme ultimately gets saturated and only then does it becomes significantly anabolic. At low doses ie < 300mg as you mention it is similar to esterified proviron, just based on Δ1-testosterone (ie DHB) rather than DHT.
It may still lower estradiol at lower doses, that effect seems highly variable from person to person presumably based on sequence variations in the DNA responsible for aromatase transcription.
RockyP
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The other consideration for Primo is the HDL diminution which is not insignificant. While it's less important if your LDL is low, 400 of primo drops my HDL 30% from baseline, which is quite a bit. These are the little things that guys find out over time that makes them choose secondary anabolics. Like if you get the same performance benefits from EQ and primo but EQ is better on your bloodwork, you're obv gonna be an EQ guy. Same goes for Mast. It's not as anabolic as some other compounds but allows guys to run test with less side effects while not tanking the E2.
Dial It In
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Bloods don’t tell you the whole story. I get an echocardiogram every year since I turned 40 and continue to use AAS. Just throwing a harm reduction thought out there for you and honestly anyone that has been on AAS for a period of time should take the time to get one done no matter the dosages of any compound you are using.
RockyP
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How are you getting these ordered / paid for on a yearly basis without an active cardiac issue to monitor? I asked my cardiologist he said he could order it once and insurance would prob pay (we could say I had xyz symptom to be evaluated) but that getting it yearly would be a problem for insurance approval.
Talmad
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I will throw that up to my dr. Thanks for the words my man. Always open to the options and words of others
Dial It In
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I have a friendly doctor for certain things and an insurance that don’t ask questions for certain procedures as they view it as risk mitigation. Some stuff I can’t get my doctor to do a damn thing but my insurance doesn’t require a referral for specialty services. Derm, cardiologist, physical therapy for example I just call up providers in my network and make the appointment.
RockyP
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Thanks brother - i'm about to schedule a follow-up coronary CTA with CACC - hoping it gets covered. If not it's gonna cost me more than a few years' worth of gear supply. Gotta do it though. At my age i'm prime territory for false negatives (from the first one). Even though BP / bloods are great, coronaries can always be a mess and you'd never know (unless you look).
Dial It In
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I’ll add also that history of high blood pressure (I don’t have) and sleep apnea (which I have) is usual a good reason
Photon
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Plaque testing is almost never covered but for echo it's relatively easy to cover by simply saying you have chest pains. You might be able to get a cheaper CCTA test by paying cash and excluding insurance.
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