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banned from the tea party!!! Wtf did you do??
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banned from the tea party!!! Wtf did you do??
Told them they were ineffective and lacked a coherent strategy. Storming the castle gates with signs and banners while faxing your Senator and Reps is all good if it is one part of a grand strategy, but if it is all that you are going to do and you refuse to look for opportunities to use leveraged and very targeted pressure while fighting with each other (TPP vs. TPE and the whole lawsuit BS) and never really organizing at the national level your are first going to be effective, then ineffective, and then just irritating. So I explained that to them and when they refused to listen I called them a bunch of neophytes and told them they were going to set themselves up for failure. Now I don't claim credit for understanding all this stuff - I was working with Reagan's former policy advisor and he specialized in game theory and was in politics for decades. He saw a great opportunity squashed and when I asked him why, he said the same thing I said above. Turns out he was right. 2010 rocked - effective. 2012 did not rock - ineffective, and now they are scapegoats, which proved Larry Hunter's point (the guy who told me how this should go down and why he had little faith it would and that the movement was not going to be effective long-term).
I am a limited government kind of guy. I am also someone who believes in strategy. I know how the halls of Congress work. The libs were scared to death when over 200,000 showed up at the Capital and this is not my reporting but from contacts within the halls. Fantastic job and then poof - nothing. Big show followed up by.....?
Please know that I do not, for one second, think either party has our interests at heart with the exception of a few leaders. I just met the most hated man in the Senate (Senator Cruz) here in Austin recently. Why is he hated by his own party? He does not tow the line and does what he says he is going to do. A novel approach for a politician.
I as also banned from RedState for daring to mention nullification and then defending it. Nullification is for both sides - Marijuana laws, ObamaCare, Real ID (the later was the most recent example of nullification that worked) and the first two are examples where it can work. The first is going to happen and already really is in some states, and ObamaCare is going to collapse on its own but there is already strong state nullification bills that have passed at the state level and word is getting around of exactly what nullification is. It was first used in the NE to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act and then the Alien and Sedition acts by Jefferson and Adams (not sure if the later is correct).
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Sorry about that
Let's have an intelligent debate here
If memory serves me correct the responsibilities of the federal government are quite limited - per the constitution. National defense, domestic security and a stable currency - hence only 4 cabinet level departments are mentioned - Treasury, Justice, State and War (now Defense). There are now 17 cabinet level departments.
Question - Do you believe that the 13 not mentioned in the constitution should be eliminated? If yes should it all be done immediately or gradually? If yes what impact do you think the elimination of all of these jobs would have on the economy?
Question - The constitution doesn't specify income taxes but says that monies should be raised by tariffs. Do you believe that the income tax should be eliminated and replaced by tariffs or so you believe that it should be replaced by some other national tax? If yes what do you propose?
Let's start with those - you may be surprised at our areas of agreement.
