Obama vows action against Russia for hacks

[GigaloRob]

Just saying GR if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote there would be riots in the street. If Trump lost the election he may have not ever conceded. That guy has an ego that will not admit loss under any condition right or wrong. He cares nothing for this country. With him it's all about number one.

If Trump lost the electoral college but won the popular vote would you admit he lost the election?

I would assume he would of thrown a tantrum without a doubt. I also know that what the left accuses Trump and his supporters of doing if they lost is exactly what they have done and are doing now. I do agree though that Trump would have blown a gasket if the situation was reversed.

 

[Docd187123]

Yeah, because Cali, Oregon, Washington, NY, and New England should decide the fate of the other 40ish states. Go ahead and get rid of the electoral college then. Until then the rules apply and he won fair and square.

By attempting to prevent tyranny of the majority by creating the electoral college, what ended up happening was promoting tyranny of the minority.

 

[XKawN]

Every president since Reagan is responsible for the 2008 meltdown. Bill Clinton signed the bill that removed protections of Glass-Steagall. Lack of oversight was responsible for the great recession. I don't think that it is over yet. The fed has been pumping free money into the economy for 8 years now. We have been on life support so to speak. Lets see what happens when interests rate go up.

Yes sir, it's not all bush' fault. It's been a concerted effort. Bush and the wars and spending/tax breaks, the left destroying the housing market, Bill Clinton and glass speigal, etc, etc. And when one looks at the real numbers... the real unemployment, the medium household income, how many people's on food stamps, etc, etc there's no way any logical person could say Obama fixed anything. In a hundr3d years from now historians will look back at the Obama years and say he was a bust. His signature bill (obamacare) will be overturned and a vast majority of Americans were against it. More than doubled the debt, more soldiers died in his first 4 years in office than bush' entire 8 years, the conflict in the middle east and the fact that our presence there only made things worse, etc, etc. I heard a top economist say "if you want to know how good the economy is just take a look at the interest rate". The economy is a false economy and the unemployment rate is a false rate. So we can hate the Bush administration all we want (and I do) and we can hate the Obama administration all we want (and I do), but there are many right now that hate the trump administration and it hasn't even started. That about as asinine as those that claimed Obama was the best president ever and he hadn't even completed one year in office.

 

[Big_paul]

the left destroying the housing market,

?

how many people's on food stamps,

There are a lot more poor people.

there's no way any logical person could say Obama fixed anything.

I don't think anyone could fix this. The financial sector raped America. They turned Wall street into a casino. I know way too many people who lost big time. Older people who were ready to retire. Who had worked 40-50 years busting their asses only to be screwed by a trader on wall steet who made a fortune doing so. As long as this country chooses to elect a divided government nothing will change.

(obamacare)

The wealthiest country on the planet can't provide universal healthcare while Cuba can?

more soldiers died in his first 4 years in office than bush' entire 8 years,

War sucks and Bush got us into it. Who could not support going to war in Afghanistan when it was that country shielded those responsible for 911? Iraq had nothing to do with it. That was little Bush finishing business for big Bush. It was not in America's best interest, and I don't give a goddam about the Trillions of dollars, Americans died because that bastard felt that his father was slighted. On a side note Bush lost the popular vote to Gore. That's 2 elections stolen by the Republican party.

The economy is a false economy and the unemployment rate is a false rate

I agree.

So we can hate the Bush administration all we want (and I do) and we can hate the Obama administration all we want (and I do),

I can't say I'm fond of trump, but I'm more concerned about an America that would elect him. Clinton was a fucked up candidate from the beginning. That stupid selfish bitch had nothing to offer but the same old shit. She stole the election from Sanders with the help of super delegates who decided who the Democratic candidate would be before the election. Fuck her and her husband.

Obama was not the best President ever, but he did try to change America's priorities and take care of Americans with our the tax dollars, and the Republicans resisted so we could police the world and protect multinational corporations.

Bad news for Republicans is that the demographics in the US have changed, and after Trump is kicked out of office in 2020, the Republican party will no longer be a serious player in America's national elections.

 

[ronin17]

Every president since Reagan is responsible for the 2008 meltdown. Bill Clinton signed the bill that removed protections of Glass-Steagall. Lack of oversight was responsible for the great recession. I don't think that it is over yet. The fed has been pumping free money into the economy for 8 years now. We have been on life support so to speak. Lets see what happens when interests rate go up.

You know whats funny @Big_paul , everybody would agree the recession and a bad economy is not good right?

What would of kept the recession from happening??? Regulation. The big bad R word that all repubs and trump supporters always rail against.

Another example of where regulations are needed. Props on knowing glass steagall. I loved bill but hate him for that one.

 

[XKawN]

You know whats funny @Big_paul , everybody would agree the recession and a bad economy is not good right?

What would of kept the recession from happening??? Regulation. The big bad R word that all repubs and trump supporters always rail against.

Another example of where regulations are needed. Props on knowing glass steagall. I loved bill but hate him for that one.

Republication aren't against regulation. They're against regulation that do more harm than good. For example, and this will explain to big_p what I mean about the left destroying the housing market. Before the housing market crashed Republicans were in Congress saying we needed to put those regulations back in place. They had the countries top economist in Congress testifying that the housing market was gonna crash because we were giving out loans to people's that couldn't afford the loans. The Democrats were in Congress literally yelling at Republicans calling them racist because Republicans didn't want minorities to be able to buy houses. Then the housing market crashed. So no, republicans aren't for dirty air and dirty water. No, they don't want to kill old people. They're not for getting rid of all regulations. That's just people buying into the rhetoric from the left.

 

[ronin17]

I Wish that was the case @XKawN
The regulations they actively fight are always in the best intrest of the corporations that lobby them. I agree with you about the loans though. That was only one facet of the recession though. The repubs fought and watered down frank dood To make it ineffective.

if you dont want dirty air and water you better fight trumps pick for the epa and secretary of state. If your a working man in the middleclass I ask you to put your party loyalty aside temporarily and really look at which party really has your best interest in mind.

Its a blury line. Still its obvious to me anyways who really has tried to do more for the middleclass.

I respect your opinion none the less.

 

[Big_paul]

What would of kept the recession from happening??? Regulation. The big bad R word that all repubs and trump supporters always rail against.

It's not the first time in US history that wall street was turned into a casino. That casino IS RIGGED! The average Joe doesn't have a clue what is happening with his 401k or other investments.

We will be removing protections the public is afforded by Dodd- Frank soon, which didn't go far enough in the first place. I don't think the country can afford another 12 trillion dollars to stabilize the economy. We are fucked next time and there will be a next time.

Trump wants to cut taxes on the wealthy. Has that ever worked in the past. JFC that mother fucker probably hasn't paid federal income tax the last 20 years. He isn't going to be giving up those tax returns anytime soon. Mitt Romney paid 13%. What more do they want?