Nutropin Depot vs. Jinotropin

[scrappy]

Hey Guys,
Anyone have any opinions on this?
If $ wasn't an issue would you prefer
Nutropin Depot or Jino?

 

[morepain]

Hey Guys,
Anyone have any opinions on this?
If $ wasn't an issue would you prefer
Nutropin Depot or Jino?

If money is no issue I think we all would be using nutropin. But dollar for dollar Jin is an excellent product, i like it better than domestic serostim. And i was always one of the first to talk shit about chinese growth, i stand corrected the jintropin is a great product.

 

[scrappy]

If money is no issue I think we all would be using nutropin. But dollar for dollar Jin is an excellent product, i like it better than domestic serostim. And i was always one of the first to talk shit about chinese growth, i stand corrected the jintropin is a great product.

Thanks Bro, That seems to be the consensus. I've only used sero and now I'm going to try nutropin (or possibly jino) but I've heard they are both better than sero.
Any other input?

 

[GRIZZ]

Jin is good, probably at this point the only other GH I would use besides Nutropin Depot. But the Depot is definitely my front runner. Very convienent and no GH has effected me the way this has.
GRIZZ

 

[kwik98gt]

Jin is good, probably at this point the only other GH I would use besides Nutropin Depot. But the Depot is definitely my front runner. Very convienent and no GH has effected me the way this has.
GRIZZ

i was just asking Hogg the other day about nutropin-and it affecting natural gh production. ill post what he said-you may find it informative. Hope ya dont mind Hogg..

Ummm, well, with nutropin, its a one month commitment. With serostim or jintropin, you could structure an on/off of like 5/2 or something in the hopes that the impact to natural GhRH secretions is minimized....and we also know that after 2 weeks of fairly healthy HGH use, IGF1 is impacted. So perhaps running a 5/2 is a small enough window wherein IGF1 is not impacted....and perhaps that is why the HGH blast works well - considering that it would not have much time to fuck with your insulin sensitivity either. Its a pretty deep topic actually.....there are a number of different theories but we truly need an endo who has worked with bodybuilding dosages and frequencies of HGH administration to tell us if the 5/2 or 2 week blast enables us to truly skirt the suppression of both GhRH and IGF1.

Another thing to look at with growth. Usually, your weight gain happens in the first couple weeks and then not much else occurs. The initial weight gain is of course water, salt, and mineral uptake but there is also satellite cell proliferation via IGF1. But then after a couple of weeks, not much else seems to happen with HGH and the fat loss takes a while to be noticed.....but when using it long term, say 3 months or more, we seem to be able to pick up weight at an increased rate over steroids alone....which might mean that the process of hyperplasia and of course connective tissue growth is occuring....well, we know that all collagen structures grow when using supraphysiological dosages of HGH.

I cant really say much about nutropin since I've never used it but I will say this much about on/off. 3 on 1 off does not work as well as 4 on 1 off....that would be a 25% reduction in growth hormone dosing. In the mass wasting studies, the patients who received HGH EOD had very little response and no appreciable bodyweight gain......so there is good and bad with the on off method. Blast might be the best way to go.

 

[spookaroo]

i was just asking Hogg the other day about nutropin-and it affecting natural gh production. ill post what he said-you may find it informative. Hope ya dont mind Hogg..

Ummm, well, with nutropin, its a one month commitment. With serostim or jintropin, you could structure an on/off of like 5/2 or something in the hopes that the impact to natural GhRH secretions is minimized....and we also know that after 2 weeks of fairly healthy HGH use, IGF1 is impacted. So perhaps running a 5/2 is a small enough window wherein IGF1 is not impacted....and perhaps that is why the HGH blast works well - considering that it would not have much time to fuck with your insulin sensitivity either. Its a pretty deep topic actually.....there are a number of different theories but we truly need an endo who has worked with bodybuilding dosages and frequencies of HGH administration to tell us if the 5/2 or 2 week blast enables us to truly skirt the suppression of both GhRH and IGF1.

Another thing to look at with growth. Usually, your weight gain happens in the first couple weeks and then not much else occurs. The initial weight gain is of course water, salt, and mineral uptake but there is also satellite cell proliferation via IGF1. But then after a couple of weeks, not much else seems to happen with HGH and the fat loss takes a while to be noticed.....but when using it long term, say 3 months or more, we seem to be able to pick up weight at an increased rate over steroids alone....which might mean that the process of hyperplasia and of course connective tissue growth is occuring....well, we know that all collagen structures grow when using supraphysiological dosages of HGH.

I cant really say much about nutropin since I've never used it but I will say this much about on/off. 3 on 1 off does not work as well as 4 on 1 off....that would be a 25% reduction in growth hormone dosing. In the mass wasting studies, the patients who received HGH EOD had very little response and no appreciable bodyweight gain......so there is good and bad with the on off method. Blast might be the best way to go.

Fuck now i am confused again...

Scrappy really the jino is fine. I don't use GH for muscle gain anyway. I've found over a longer period of usage its fat burning capabilities are very credible. And recovery of damaged tissues seems to be enhanced. I've also found with the 5 on 2 off method that when I stopped using GH there was minimal impact on me physically. In fact if starting a cycle of AAS concurrently with ending a cycle of GH there was no appreciable negative impact from stopping. Thats just my .02. I'd really like to try Hoggs "blast" method (actually I first heard about it from Rex who at one time was a great bro with much knowledge and answers on the subject.) But I still have not resolved exactly how to do it in my head. Nor is it my highest priority for doing so now.

 

[Mr. Big]

I have used many kinds of GH and I like them all ALMOST equally. I can get others so much cheper than nutropin so I stick with those.

 

[bjuicen]

which one would you go with if you went with these dosages:: with the Jin>5iu day-5 days on 2 off for three months or with the nupropin one 22.5 mg kit a month for three months. Which do you think would yeild better gains?

 

[Mr. Big]

I'd do the Jin if that were the case.....the 5 on/ 2 off would make it last longer and the longer your on it the better. I dont reccommend anything less than 3 months and 6 is my ideal time to run it for the best results.

 

[bjuicen]

I havent tried hgh before so I want to see how I react to it before I buy a whole 6 months worth.

 

[morepain]

I havent tried hgh before so I want to see how I react to it before I buy a whole 6 months worth.

I too would go with the Jin at 5on two off given the options you listed. One Nutropin kit will excrete 2.25iu per day over 30 days, most guys are using two a month. One interesting fact that i notice no one brings up is if you go to the manufacturers site for nutropin depot they themselves say that growth rate experienced with the long acting GH may be SLOWER than with daily GH. I don't know for sure since I have not used it but I would think the manufacturer would not say it is less effective unless it truly is less effective. The advantage they market it for is convenience of dosing, not potency.

 

[ipfan1]

does nutropin need to stay cold??

 

[scrappy]

does nutropin need to stay cold??

According to the manufacturer yes it does

 

[ryan400]

Can't comment on the nutropin because I have never used it, but I have been and am currently using jino and am very happy with the results.

 

[Greg]

I too would go with the Jin at 5on two off given the options you listed. One Nutropin kit will excrete 2.25iu per day over 30 days, most guys are using two a month. One interesting fact that i notice no one brings up is if you go to the manufacturers site for nutropin depot they themselves say that growth rate experienced with the long acting GH may be SLOWER than with daily GH. I don't know for sure since I have not used it but I would think the manufacturer would not say it is less effective unless it truly is less effective. The advantage they market it for is convenience of dosing, not potency.

The main reason why short acting Nutropin had better growth rates than Nutropin Depot in children, is because short acting Hgh is administered at night, right before bed time, and short acting Hgh best mimics natural pulse release of Hgh secreation into the body. Children grow at night while they sleep. Naturaly Hgh released in the body is around 2-3 hrs after them fall in REM sleep. The depot version is to increase patient complience. The growth rates for the depot were good, but the short acting Hgh was better overall.

You can't compair Hgh usage in children to adults.

Most of the guys are NOT using 2 kits of Nutropin depot per month. The 18mg kits is best used every 3 weeks and the 22.5 mg kit can be used every 4 weeks.

 

[einstein1905]

I too would go with the Jin at 5on two off given the options you listed. One Nutropin kit will excrete 2.25iu per day over 30 days, most guys are using two a month. One interesting fact that i notice no one brings up is if you go to the manufacturers site for nutropin depot they themselves say that growth rate experienced with the long acting GH may be SLOWER than with daily GH. I don't know for sure since I have not used it but I would think the manufacturer would not say it is less effective unless it truly is less effective. The advantage they market it for is convenience of dosing, not potency.

The reason the depot will yield slower growth results is because it is constantly released. rhGH is rather fast acting, so when we shoot 2x per day (preferably 1x in the morning and 1x early afternoon), we are avoiding exogenous GH in the system at bedtime. This allows the naturally occurring highest amplitude peeks of endogenous GH secretion to remain virtually unchanged. So, you're getting the 4IU/day you're shooting PLUS your endogenous 1-2 IU you'd normally get (most of which is during sleep). Exogenous GH induces a quick response by upregulating the expression and release of somatostatin to inhibit the release of endogenous GH for the next few pulses or so. The depot is a constant stream of exogenous GH, which will upregulate somatostatin release, thus inhibiting your own release of GH to some degree, probably substantially.
There is a great book cleverly titled "Growth Hormone" by Bengsston. If your school has a med school, you can probably get it. It has many relevant GH studies at incredible doses and long periods of time. One study I think was 0.75IU/Kg/day for 6 mos for 20 some males. There are many studies anyone interested in GH should read.
I choose Jintropin for effect as well as price.
The negative regulation of the IGFs I believe are more upstream, i.e. downregulation of GhRH and upregulation of somatostatin, so as to reduce GH release. There may be another mechanosm in the liver that I forgot too, but someone can chime in if I did. If I'm right, then as long as you're injecting your own GH 2x per day and not in the form of a depot, you shouldn't be affecting IGF-1 levels negatively. There's always the addition of LR3 too