Noob question on timing and fasted cardio

[qwerty14]

I have about 20 lbs to lose to get to 12% bf, already on Reta and TRT. Planning to start 2iu a day and titrate up to 4iu

From reading the posts and the pinned post, in order to maximize fat loss on GH, I pin the morning when I wake up and do fasted cardio?

I already do fasted cardio or training so I am active in the mornings fasted, then come back for a breakfast.

The window from pinning to breakfast will be roughly 3 hrs.

Anything I can change in this protocol?

 

[Ateam2023]

I have about 20 lbs to lose to get to 12% bf, already on Reta and TRT. Planning to start 2iu a day and titrate up to 4iu

From reading the posts and the pinned post, in order to maximize fat loss on GH, I pin the morning when I wake up and do fasted cardio?

I already do fasted cardio or training so I am active in the mornings fasted, then come back for a breakfast.

The window from pinning to breakfast will be roughly 3 hrs.

Anything I can change in this protocol?

had you read the rules when you signed up that clearly state that "New Members" introduce themselves in the New Member Thread , as is proper protocol around Meso Rx , good day!

 

[Ghoul]

I have about 20 lbs to lose to get to 12% bf, already on Reta and TRT. Planning to start 2iu a day and titrate up to 4iu

From reading the posts and the pinned post, in order to maximize fat loss on GH, I pin the morning when I wake up and do fasted cardio?

I already do fasted cardio or training so I am active in the mornings fasted, then come back for a breakfast.

The window from pinning to breakfast will be roughly 3 hrs.

Anything I can change in this protocol?

What he said about intro post.

The answer is you'd gain more from enhanced lipolysis starting fasted cardio an hour after injection, it's not instant,

If you can minimize carbs in that post exercise meal you'll maintain enhanced lipolysis for a few more hours into the day. It's all about keeping insulin as low
as possible for the first 6 hours after injection. It's not all or nothing, this protocol only tips the balance of effects more strongly towards lipolysis than growth, but you'll benefit from both fat loss/growth no matter what you do.

The main thing is to "Get it in", every day, at roughly the same time.

 

[qwerty14]

had you read the rules when you signed up that clearly state that "New Members" introduce themselves in the New Member Thread , as is proper protocol around Meso Rx , good day!

Done boss.

 

[Ateam2023]

Done boss.

Welcome to Meso Rx , Good luck on your journey

 

[AlexDavis43]

I have about 20 lbs to lose to get to 12% bf, already on Reta and TRT. Planning to start 2iu a day and titrate up to 4iu

From reading the posts and the pinned post, in order to maximize fat loss on GH, I pin the morning when I wake up and do fasted cardio?

I already do fasted cardio or training so I am active in the mornings fasted, then come back for a breakfast.

The window from pinning to breakfast will be roughly 3 hrs.

Anything I can change in this protocol?

Timing meals around GH and cardio is largely minutiae - I think they say "majoring in the minors" or something like that

There are studies on fasted vs fed cardio, most say no difference, but anyone can make up reasons and include some biological rationale why fasted is better (maybe better if placebo effect includes an improvement in your consistency in actually doing it)

 

[qwerty14]

Timing meals around GH and cardio is largely minutiae - I think they say "majoring in the minors" or something like that

There are studies on fasted vs fed cardio, most say no difference, but anyone can make up reasons and include some biological rationale why fasted is better (maybe better if placebo effect includes an improvement in your consistency in actually doing it)

Fasted works better for me, I feel more energetic and perform better

 

[Gonz0]

I always pin my gh at night and then hit fasted cardio when I wake up

 

[RockyP]

Bro science has settled on the supremacy of fasted cardio. I think there is something to it. I do it, but i also do 10-15 min walks after meals which I find very helpful for digestion as well.

As to the GH, most top competitors take it all at night, even the big boy dosages. If you search Type II x there is a compelling argument for taking one dose 3-4 hours prior to resistance training. That would not work for me since I rely on a rather hefty intra-workout carb drink as about 50% of my daily allotment of carb when cutting. Further, I get a nice benefit in my sleep when taking 4 iu or more at bedtime. And the nice thing about that is that I don't have to worry about eating afterwards. I've read that the fatty acids liberated from the GH injection can re-settle in adipose tissue if they are not utilized for energy (not sure if that's true), though while asleep your body will still need energy and the 6 to 8 hours after the shot it will be switching more towards using fatty acids.

I will say that you need a few hours prior to exercise if you are doing "pre-training" GH. 30 to 60 mins prior is not enough. 3 to 4 hours pre-training is ideal. That can be your one dosage, or one of your dosages (the other being at bedtime). Personally I don't like more than one shot per day due to risk of insulin resistance.

 

[adrenalytic]

Fasted vs. fed cardio under a caloric microscope makes no difference. The laws of thermal dynamics have yet to be proven wrong. What does make a difference is the insulin benefits we see from fasted cardio over fed cardio.

The body's reliance on fat oxidation for energy when fasted upregulates AMPK and GLUT-4 activity. These mechanisms are known to improve skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity.

That said, if you're already lean and fit the difference is not very dramatic but still something to consider if you're on high dose GH.

 

[adrenalytic]

I've read that the fatty acids liberated from the GH injection can re-settle in adipose tissue if they are not utilized for energy (not sure if that's true)

True. You are constantly burning and storing fat simultaneously as the body endeavors for homeostasis. This isn't specific to GH induced fat oxidation.

 

[Slowww]

Yes that is good, and ghoul also added some beneficial advice .

However to be honest— basically any way you can fit the cardio into your life & routine consistently and easily will be best practice. If you’re 24% maybe the routine hasn’t been the easiest to stick to in your lifestyle. You have to keep doing the same thing after you lose the weight, so pick a schedule that fits your life, and you will be able to maintain a healthy body fat. If you’re can’t get it done fasted, dont worry to much, and make sure to get it done anyways. I have done both— gh and fasted cardio, but I have a job, family and other responsibilities so that’s not always possible.

That shouldn’t affect the ability to get to low body fat levels. sometimes I’ve gotta do the cardio right after breakfast, or sometimes I have to finish it at night. Sticking to it is more important than when you do it, or if you ate first.