NO2 and creatine

[ryanmo123]

Maybe someone can clear up a question I have . . .

It is good to take creatine while using NO2 because the hemodilator supposedly helps absorb and utilize ALL nutrients you take in, right? . . .

But why is it advised to cycle off of creatine for about 10 days before starting NO2??


Ryan

 

[esco]

have you honestly ever tried it? just curious because i manage a vitamin store, and bodybuilders from that particular area seem to love the product, especially when they are off everything else.

 

[roadkill]

nix the no2

immediately following your workout take in about 16 ounces of grapejuice 5-7 grams creatine and about 50 grams of protien or your favorite mrp. then the rest of the day limit your carbs to low glycemic ones.

Tom

 

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i have treid NO2 and it defently was not worth the money IMO, i am over 250 pounds and that means i have to take 10 pills a day, so the bottle only last 18 daqys for $80 and if you get it at GNC (where you must manage since GNC bought the rights to exclusively sell NO2) with the gold card it goes down to around $60

i have found newer products such as Swole by Syntrax, V-12 from Sans work a lot better and are half the price...25-30 servings for only $25-30....

 

[esco]

i have treid NO2 and it defently was not worth the money IMO, i am over 250 pounds and that means i have to take 10 pills a day, so the bottle only last 18 daqys for $80 and if you get it at GNC (where you must manage since GNC bought the rights to exclusively sell NO2) with the gold card it goes down to around $60

i have found newer products such as Swole by Syntrax, V-12 from Sans work a lot better and are half the price...25-30 servings for only $25-30....

okay, i can understand that ... i guess i want to know ... if nitrogen oxide products(not necessarily the no2) work? as far as pumps and strength gains? i agree 80.00 for less then 1 month supply sucks. thanks, pumped and frosty.

 

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just wondering where you manage GNC?

i believe arginine products like N02, Swole, TRAC, Satur8, etc work but not nearly as good as they advertise...

IMO they are the best to take when comming off a cycle to try and maintain your gains or at least most of them without bridging...i trully believe these products are great for that...

the pumps on these products are better than creatine alone, or any creatine product...the vascularity that they companies claim is not what it is made out to be...the strength increase is minimal

Products i have used

N02 (not worth it)
Swole V2 by SAns (awsome product..just don't get the unflavored version..takes like coyote urine)
Presently using Satur8 by ISS...(pumps are decent)

All the new products like Swole, V-12, Satur8, etc are basically the same if you read the ingredients so go with whatever is cheaper

 

[MJM]

I did get good pumps, no mass or strength that I noticed though.

 

[esco]

thanks pumped for the info. it was very helpful, i think i will try the swole product.

 

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you got a PM esco

 

[ryanmo123]

just wondering where you manage GNC?

i believe arginine products like N02, Swole, TRAC, Satur8, etc work but not nearly as good as they advertise...

IMO they are the best to take when comming off a cycle to try and maintain your gains or at least most of them without bridging...i trully believe these products are great for that...

the pumps on these products are better than creatine alone, or any creatine product...the vascularity that they companies claim is not what it is made out to be...the strength increase is minimal

Products i have used

N02 (not worth it)
Swole V2 by SAns (awsome product..just don't get the unflavored version..takes like coyote urine)
Presently using Satur8 by ISS...(pumps are decent)

All the new products like Swole, V-12, Satur8, etc are basically the same if you read the ingredients so go with whatever is cheaper

I am coming off a bulking cycle so that's what i would be using it for . . .to maintain my strength gains while eating a ton less food. I had just heard that it worked well with creatine, but I also read that you should cycle off creatine for 10 days before beginning to use NO2, or any arginine product. I was j/w why that is?

 

[ryanmo123]

i have treid NO2 and it defently was not worth the money IMO, i am over 250 pounds and that means i have to take 10 pills a day, so the bottle only last 18 daqys for $80 and if you get it at GNC (where you must manage since GNC bought the rights to exclusively sell NO2) with the gold card it goes down to around $60

i have found newer products such as Swole by Syntrax, V-12 from Sans work a lot better and are half the price...25-30 servings for only $25-30....

Are these other new products based on the same concept as NO2 with the increased arginine levels?

 

[esco]

Are these other new products based on the same concept as NO2 with the increased arginine levels?

i think they want you to cycle of the creatine for a couple of weeks to so it wont complete with the no2 product uptake. once the no2 is in your system after the 2 weeks, i think your good to go. well mucle tech has pump tech coming out which i heard was a reall good product and you take less dodages ... i believe like 4 some time prior to your workout ...

 

[Green Darter]

Maybe someone can clear up a question I have . . .

It is good to take creatine while using NO2 because the hemodilator supposedly helps absorb and utilize ALL nutrients you take in, right? . . .

But why is it advised to cycle off of creatine for about 10 days before starting NO2??


Ryan

I take 25 mg dymetadrine and 200 mg caffeine before I train 3 days a week I never got anything from any of the No2 products except Satur8.
I know NO2 doesnt work with dymetadrine tried a few types but drinking Satur8 -5 minutes before my workout and during gives me a great pump seems a bit more energy to.
Its the NO2 I found that if taken 10 to 15 minutes AFTER dymetadrine still works. I take my dymetadrine and caffeine than go workout 20 minutes liter so it all works out.
When I dont use dymetadrine I have found creatine and NO2 worked together great . Great pump.
I am not advertising for SATUR8 but in my case its the only NO2 that works with my pre workout "energy boosters" .

 

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Are these other new products based on the same concept as NO2 with the increased arginine levels?

yes

 

[ryanmo123]

I take 25 mg dymetadrine and 200 mg caffeine before I train 3 days a week I never got anything from any of the No2 products except Satur8.
I know NO2 doesnt work with dymetadrine tried a few types but drinking Satur8 -5 minutes before my workout and during gives me a great pump seems a bit more energy to.
Its the NO2 I found that if taken 10 to 15 minutes AFTER dymetadrine still works. I take my dymetadrine and caffeine than go workout 20 minutes later so it all works out.
When I dont use dymetadrine I have found creatine and NO2 worked together great . Great pump.
I am not advertising for SATUR8 but in my case its the only NO2 that works with my pre workout "energy boosters" .

Another thing about stacking creatine with NO2 . . .it is suggested to use a creatine called ethyl ester hcl . . .supposed to allow like 39 times the water uptake of regular creatine and has none of the downsides of monohydrate (i.e. puffiness, bloating, gas, and no loading phase) Does anyone know anything about this new product? I've only heard of one supplement that uses it. It's called CRE2 which has the ethyl ester hcl and arginine to promote nitric oxide levels. Anyone use/ heard of this?

I find it interesting that Byrd suggests using this new creatine over the monohydrate form in his book on NO2, yet no one really seems to produce it?

GNC has this shit called effervescent creatine . . .that doesn't require a loading phase either . . .is that the same as e.e. hcl or something completely different?




Ryan

 

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DO NOT BUY NO2 did you not read what we all posted...

you are being blinded by advertising and his advertising book...

NO2 is a waste of your money, plus the reason why Ed is telling you to use CE2 is because it is made by the same company MRI...

 

[ryanmo123]

DO NOT BUY NO2 did you not read what we all posted...

you are being blinded by advertising and his advertising book...

NO2 is a waste of your money, plus the reason why Ed is telling you to use CE2 is because it is made by the same company MRI...

I'm confused man!! I just checked out the other supps. you mentioned that were better than NO2. You said they had basically the same ingredients as NO2, but worked better. V12 and Satur8 only have 1/3 the arginine (1g per serving) and Swole has NONE. The thing those three all have in common is the tricreatine stuff which is what NO2 DOES NOT have.

So actually they are nothing like NO2. But I am interested in this tri/dicreatine malate. Could you give me some more info on it . . .I couldn't really find anything worth while online and it sounds like you've got the experience. I think stacking NO2 with CE2 would be the same type of idea behind V12 and Satur8, but w/o the creatine, NO2 will clearly not put out the same results. So if I can save money by purchasing one cheap supp. w/ both arg. and creat. already in it rather than buying two expensive ones to stack . . .I'm all for it. i just wanna know exactly what this stuff is before I commit. How are they different than monohydrate?

 

[ryanmo123]

But I am interested in this tri/dicreatine malate. Could you give me some more info on it . . .I couldn't really find anything worth while online and it sounds like you've got the experience. I think stacking NO2 with CE2 would be the same type of idea behind V12 and Satur8, but w/o the creatine, NO2 will clearly not put out the same results. So if I can save money by purchasing one cheap supp. w/ both arg. and creat. already in it rather than buying two expensive ones to stack . . .I'm all for it. i just wanna know exactly what this stuff is before I commit. How are they different than monohydrate?

Okay, I found some good info on this tri/dicreatine malate and understand how it works. Seems like that v12 product is a pretty solid mix of supps. The thing that i am wondering is this . . .NO2's dosage calls for 5g of arginine (body weight over 200lbs) twice daily, however; v12 and satur8 only have 1g per serving. If I were to use these products would you advise also taking about 3g of some generic GNC L-Arginine with those products to help boost the pump like NO2? Also, which of these products did you find worked best for you because they are all a bit different? (For example: Swole doesn't even use arginine)

Thanks,



Ryan

 

[ryanmo123]

DO NOT BUY NO2 did you not read what we all posted...

you are being blinded by advertising and his advertising book...

NO2 is a waste of your money, plus the reason why Ed is telling you to use CE2 is because it is made by the same company MRI...

You gotta PM.



BUMP


Ryan

 

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you got a pm back