New treatment of testosterone and hcg looking for advice! Bloodwork included!nd

[poisonesspimp]

I am 21 years old, I have been now dealing with these hormonal imbalences for about 5 years. This has been a long road but I am glad I have done my research and have gotten to the bottom of things for the most part and found a good doctor willing to help me. I am at my last steps in the road and am looking for perfect my treatment and consistantly feel better now and for the future. I am looking for any advice and insight and I would like to thank you all ahead of time. This is a great community that I very seriously have faith in because you have helped me from the beginning.

I was on 250iu of hcg a few months ago and these were my results

Total testosterone-326
Free Testosterone-60.2 range 46-224pg/ml
Bioavailable testosterone-136.8 Range 110-575
SHBG-19 Range 10-50
Albumin, Serum 5.0 Range 3.6-5.0
DHEA SULFATE 761 Range 24-537, My levels were pretty high (don't really know the cause of that or what that means, if someone has any insight that would be great.)

Now for the past few months my treatment has changed and now I am taking Testosterone Cyp-80mg per week in one injection and I am taking 250iu of HCG 2 times a week. I take hcg on monday and friday and the testosterone on wednesday. My results look like this after staying on that for a few months.

Total Testosterone-915
Free Testosterone-193 Range 46-224 pg/ml
Bioavailable Testosterone-405.8 Range 110-575 ng/dl
SHBG-22 Range 10-50
Albumin, Serum 4.6 Range 3.6-5.1

I am currently waiting for my results on an estradial ultrasensitive test which should be coming in the mail within a few days.

Also I can't find my paperwork on my Vitamin D levels, but I recall them being in the 20s and my doctor has also prescribed me 50,000iu of vitamin D twice a week.

Since I have been taking the 80mg of test and hcg twice a week I do feel much better but my sex drive is still non existint. Trying to figure this out, I have seen people recomend splitting the T dose down to 40mg twice a week but I am not sure what to do next. Any insight would be much appreciated. Thank you !

 

[jaggarr]

It can take awhile before the labido and any erectile dysfunction symptoms go away, sometimes up to 6 months. Estradiol does have some play too as well as mental health issues, stress, and some other factors. Quite honestly it looks like you have just cleared the fog of low T and vitamin D. If e2 looks great I say give it some time.

Also, vitamin D is important to the production of testosterone in men. It's possible your low T was a symptom of low vitamin D.

 

[LW64]

When you were on HCG only how many times per week did you take 250 IUs? Even if it was 3 or 4 times a week chances are that would not be enough.

500 IUs three times a week or 750 IUs every 3 days is more like it.

In your present protocol, you could make things easier for yourself by injecting HCG and T-cyp on the same days twice a week. Yes, you can split the T dose and take 40 mg. You may need to lower that to 35 or 30 mg (2x/week) depending on your estradiol result.

 

[poisonesspimp]

It can take awhile before the labido and any erectile dysfunction symptoms go away, sometimes up to 6 months. Estradiol does have some play too as well as mental health issues, stress, and some other factors. Quite honestly it looks like you have just cleared the fog of low T and vitamin D. If e2 looks great I say give it some time.

Also, vitamin D is important to the production of testosterone in men. It's possible your low T was a symptom of low vitamin D.

That's interesting thanks for your input, I am stoked to get my results for the estradiol whenever that comes in the mail because that is whats really gonna tell me what's going on. Another thing is I feel 10x better since I have started taking the Vitamin D. Much better energy and overall being able to get through my day without feeling lethargic and worn down.

 

[poisonesspimp]

When you were on HCG only how many times per week did you take 250 IUs? Even if it was 3 or 4 times a week chances are that would not be enough.

500 IUs three times a week or 750 IUs every 3 days is more like it.

In your present protocol, you could make things easier for yourself by injecting HCG and T-cyp on the same days twice a week. Yes, you can split the T dose and take 40 mg. You may need to lower that to 35 or 30 mg (2x/week) depending on your estradiol result.

I was taking hcg 5 times a week at 250ius and it really didn't even budge my testosterone. I had readings in the 500s when I was on 400iu 3 times a week of hcg, but I still really didn't have much energy. Since I have started this new treatment of T+hcg, I have been feeling much better energy wise but still not to good sex drive wise so that's mainly what time trying to figure out. Another thing is now on a rare day ill have a decently good sex drive but other days it'll be very low, so I am attributing that to hormonal changes on different days in a sense. Also that's interesting you say inject T and hcg on the same day, I will try that and see if there's a difference.

 

[poisonesspimp]

I usually inject hcg 2 days before every testosterone shot.

 

[Rocks Off]

I usually inject hcg 2 days before every testosterone shot.

SubQ or IM for your hcg?

 

[poisonesspimp]

SubQ or IM for your hcg?

SubQ into the stomach

 

[foreveryoung]

was libido better when you were natural? I find that no matter what I do, it is hard to achieve the same libido of being natural when I am on testosterone, it comes and goes but is never reliable, Hcg seems to complicate the issue even more

I think in my case, and many others that testosterone and estrogen has little to do with the poor libido, so all the endless tweaking will never address the real issues

 

[Rocks Off]

was libido better when you were natural? I find that no matter what I do, it is hard to achieve the same libido of being natural when I am on testosterone, it comes and goes but is never reliable, Hcg seems to complicate the issue even more

I think in my case, and many others that testosterone and estrogen has little to do with the poor libido, so all the endless tweaking will never address the real issues

That begs the question, what's the real issue then?

 

[foreveryoung]

That begs the question, what's the real issue then?

I want to know too, the fact that pt141 works so well for me in making me like I'm an 18 year old with spontaneous rock hard erections and desire, make me wonder what pathways in the body need optimizing, because it has nothing to do with testosterone and estrogen

I hope they are doing research like crazy on this stuff to figure it out so we can hopefully find something that works as well as pt141 without making one feel like death while they are on it

 

[Rocks Off]

I want to know too, the fact that pt141 works so well for me in making me like I'm an 18 year old with spontaneous rock hard erections and desire, make me wonder what pathways in the body need optimizing, because it has nothing to do with testosterone and estrogen

I hope they are doing research like crazy on this stuff to figure it out so we can hopefully find something that works as well as pt141 without making one feel like death while they are on it

FWIR, PT 141 was stopped before phase three testing because of blood pressure concerns. This always sounded fishy to me since Cialis and Viagra can cause 4 hour erections. How's that for blood pressure!

 

[poisonesspimp]

was libido better when you were natural? I find that no matter what I do, it is hard to achieve the same libido of being natural when I am on testosterone, it comes and goes but is never reliable, Hcg seems to complicate the issue even more

I think in my case, and many others that testosterone and estrogen has little to do with the poor libido, so all the endless tweaking will never address the real issues

I feel much better taking the hcg and T, my libido is better but it's on and off same with energy and I would like to get it to 100% steady and consistant. The real issues are that I have low T and without taking these prescriptions I start to feel like complete and utter shit lol, and my levels are 200-300 without these medications. So I am just trying to find a balence that will keep me steady and consistant. I am very healthy aside from this issue I have dealt with all these years, I eat the cleanest foods I can eating organic, juicing fruits and vegatables and taking supplements that are benificial and excersizing so there's really nothing more I can do in terms of lifestyle changes thats why it comes down to tweaking this treatment.

 

[poisonesspimp]

That begs the question, what's the real issue then?

I always had a great sex drive growing up. I got seriously deep into pornography to the point that I wore myself out so much I was going around with no energy. It's all I would do all day everyday. Some of you may believe me some may not but I feel I am 100% sure that is strictly what has caused my problem. I had a dopamine test done years ago which was low and I also had high prolactin. I believe I have gotten low T directly from overstimulating myself.