New peptide freak

[OilCarrier]

Oh good, I thought you might be a true believer setting me up as a heretic and about to go on a healing peptide Jihad, lol.

Look at it this way. Severe burn victims are treated with rHGH, because it's proven to work. It heals soft tissue more quickly than anything else. There's really no doubt about it.

Now granted it's not without potential risks, but those can be managed, as they are with people treated with it for years or a lifetime.

I wanted to point out something external and concrete.... the medical establishment is pretty conservative, and aren't prone to just "trying shit", before throwing out my own anecdotes.

On Tesa or even more so rHGH you can clearly see and often feel tissue regeneration. After a few months, there's a clear difference in nail and skin quality. Wounds heal very fast. Long standing lesions often resolve. Immunity improves. Digestion improves (from gut remodeling). I might even chalk it up to a seriously convincing "placebo" effect were it not for the mass of research proving it does these things, very powerfully.

lol. I can tell you what i felt on TB-500 and BPC-157:

every injection i became extremely lethargic, borderline perma-narcolepsic for about 45 minutes, while being sweaty and feeling as if bp was becoming low. decided to discontinue. a week later I had a new sebaceous cyst on my arm and in the following weeks a small wart that I had on my foot started growing while it had been idle before. I attributed both to those peptides, on a feels basis that is.

Do you take special care of insulin when on rHGH? or is that not an issue if you do 1 or 2 IU daily?

 

[Ghoul]

lol. I can tell you what i felt on TB-500 and BPC-157:

every injection i became extremely lethargic, borderline perma-narcolepsic for about 45 minutes, while being sweaty and feeling as if bp was becoming low. decided to discontinue. a week later I had a new sebaceous cyst on my arm and in the following weeks a small wart that I had on my foot started growing while it had been idle before. I attributed both to those peptides, on a feels basis that is.

Do you take special care of insulin when on rHGH? or is that not an issue if you do 1 or 2 IU daily?

For most people 3iu or less is not going to come anywhere close to causing issues with glucose. Unless you've had issues with it before, it's not a concern. Before you begin, get your IGF-1 and A1c baseline measured.

I use 4iu/day, and monitor with a CGM (coincidentally, not because of rHGH).

I also use Tirz. Many high dose users use a GLP. to head off any issues (and for general health benefits as many are discovering).
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My a1c is 4.9% (very good), and I never exceed 99 morning fasting glucose levels.

 

[OilCarrier]

For most people 3iu or less is not going to come anywhere close to causing issues with glucose. Unless you've had issues with it before, it's not a concern. Before you begin, get your IGF-1 and A1c baseline measured.

I use 4iu/day, and monitor with a CGM (coincidentally, not because of rHGH).

I also use Tirz. Many high dose users use a GLP. to head off any issues (and for general health benefits as many are discovering).
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My a1c is 4.9% (very good), and I never exceed 99 morning fasting glucose levels.

that's awesome. you get mounjaro (pharma) i suppose? I want to look into sourcing that as well. either through a recipe or otherwise. I remember the conversation we had about reta in the past and while promising, I feel tirz is the safer bet for now.

 

[thestruggle]

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, nor am I saying this is definately the case, the jury is still out and I'm keeping an open mind, but while TB-500 and BPC-157 may sound promising their effects in humans are almost entirely anecdotal. Most perceived benefits are likely driven by the natural variability of healing and the psychological impact of an injection (studies have demonstrated injecting a placebo drug can result in faster healing!)

By contrast, even low-dose rHGH has A well-understood human mechanism. Stimulating IGF-1, angiogenesis, collagen formation, tissue repair and measurable evidence of effect, making it demonstrably far more effective than these peptides.

I think the recent incredible drop in rHGH prices has taken the shine off these two peptides. They were more interesting when GH was very expensive and they were a much cheaper "rHGH lite" alternative for healing injuries. Now, imo, you might as well go with the "real thing".

My understanding is that rHGH shuts down body’s own natural GH pulse and can tank endogenous production if you stay on long enough. It also carries higher risks like insulin resistance, edema, and potential organ growth if overshooting which is ratelimited if using GHRPs. You cannot overshoot, and won

GHRPs like Ipamorelin + CJC-1295 (no dac) stimulate the pituitary to release GH in pulses naturally, so it’s more physiologic, less likely to desensitize, and still pretty cheap.

Downside is the effect is milder and just as the risk is. I guess it's a choose your poison situation.

 

[thestruggle]

You sound brilliant! Here's an invitation to the Meso Mensa group! Meso Mensa

Thanks for the flame.

 

[Elektrobot]

Thanks for the flame.

I'm waiting for you to start calling people dear

 

[sionnach]

My understanding is that rHGH shuts down body’s own natural GH pulse and can tank endogenous production if you stay on long enough.

 

[thestruggle]

I'm waiting for you to start calling people dear

Take all the info in dear.

 

[IndividualMan]

GHRPs like Ipamorelin + CJC-1295 (no dac) stimulate the pituitary to release GH in pulses naturally, so it’s more physiologic, less likely to desensitize, and still pretty cheap.

appeal to nature. lame.
it has fewer side effects because it just does less. Less GH, less sides. simple as

 

[thestruggle]

appeal to nature. lame.
it has fewer side effects because it just does less. Less GH, less sides. simple as

Lame? Well, if you're looking for binary camps, sure, it sucks. Stupid choice.

 

[IndividualMan]

Lame? Well, if you're looking for binary camps, sure, it sucks. Stupid choice.

binary camps? what are you talking about?
this is not an issue of positioning and/ or opinions.
It yields less GH.
It does "suck". it might be a waste of ressources, yes, it might be a half measure, sure, but putting these emotionally charged labels on things which are easily quantifiable is counterproductive
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It is easy to say: people who mess with secretagogues are uneducated pussies who take half measures.

A more nuanced thing to say would be something like: people who swear by the use of secretagogues are uneducated on the mechanism of action of GH, and did not spend their time reading the scientific literature and thinking critically about what the effects of secretagogues are. They do not know what they want to get out of it on a physiological level. "I want to get less fat and more jacked" great, but how are these peptides going to help you achieve that goal in comparison to other alternatives, such as the tried and true GH (the pathway you are already utilizing) ?

 

[thestruggle]

binary camps? what are you talking about?
this is not an issue of positioning and/ or opinions.
It yields less GH.
It does "suck". it might be a waste of ressources, yes, it might be a half measure, sure, but putting these emotionally charged labels on things which are easily quantifiable is counterproductive
.
It is easy to say: people who mess with secretagogues are uneducated pussies who take half measures.

A more nuanced thing to say would be something like: people who swear by the use of secretagogues are uneducated on the mechanism of action of GH, and did not spend their time reading the scientific literature and thinking critically about what the effects of secretagogues are. They do not know what they want to get out of it on a physiological level. "I want to get less fat and more jacked" great, but how are these peptides going to help you achieve that goal in comparison to other alternatives, such as the tried and true GH (the pathway you are already utilizing) ?

You didn't get it, I guess.

 

[IndividualMan]

true. however:
make an intro dipshit

 

[Elektrobot]

You didn't get it, I guess.

Run it through your ai

 

[IndividualMan]

@ grok, what does this guy want to say in this post, please help

 

[thestruggle]

Sure, I can help with that.

He seem to be answeing OP's question from a personal point of view which reads reasonable and yet conservative in terms of risk tolerance. However, he's facing resistence from two users (one being you) who seem to be smartass forum bullies who rely on their post count, mostly comprised of bullshitting other users instead of real meaningful contributions, to weight in.

Specific to the GH conversation, the resistence seem to be stemmed from seeing the conversation as extreme binaries of GHRPs vs rHGH without a consideration of individual risk tolerance; thinking GHRP users are "pussies". They seem to be hyperfocused on the desired outcome as to be "as big as possible", which is a classic for most gymbros.

Do you want me to help compose another post in reply to the new user? I can help you do better than what you did already.

 

[IndividualMan]

forum bullies

lmao

who rely on their post count, mostly comprised of bullshitting other users

as if having more posts turned me into some large imposing creature which intimidates poor newbies. With my big and scary number of posts.
Grow up, man.


excpet for that part, you created some good & convincing self glaze.


On another note, do you personally also believe in bulky vs functional/lean muscles?
functional fitness? The greatness of kettlebells? high reps for lean gains / defining the muscle?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Most peptides are pure shit. Apart from GLPs and GH you are mostly just wasting your time and money. I think high dose TB helps, but it’s all anecdotal. There is some solid human research on ARA 290 and I’m getting some for several family members who have type 2 diabetes and neuropathy to test that one out. But most peptides do very little.

 

[thestruggle]

dear, i also apply testogel, two pumps, every morning, 10am. sharp.

 

[thestruggle]

Most peptides are pure shit. Apart from GLPs and GH you are mostly just wasting your time and money. I think high dose TB helps, but it’s all anecdotal. There is some solid human research on ARA 290 and I’m getting some for several family members who have type 2 diabetes and neuropathy to test that one out. But most peptides do very little.

Let's revisit this after 400mcg of subq Selank.