New Hcg Protocol Revision

[SWALE]

Following a year of talking to patients and looking at labs, I am now revising the way I want my TRT patients to use HCG. I now recommend 250IU on the day before, and two days before, the test cyp injection. IOW, we're just moving the two HCG shots up a day.

Without getting into all the pharmacodynamics involved, let's just say I am realizing that HCG is even MORE powerful than previously thought.

 

[Mr. Masse]

Following a year of talking to patients and looking at labs, I am now revising the way I want my TRT patients to use HCG. I now recommend 250IU on the day before, and two days before, the test cyp injection. IOW, we're just moving the two HCG shots up a day.

Without getting into all the pharmacodynamics involved, let's just say I am realizing that HCG is even MORE powerful than previously thought.

Does this mean 250iu the day before, and two days before a 'cycle', AND not continued throught the cycle as some here have experimented with? As well since you are moving the two shots up a day, does this in effect mean that you are advocating 3 x 250iu HCG the day before the first test injections?

Thanks.

 

[buck]

What I believe he is saying is if for example you take your hrt shot on friday, that you take your 250iu hcg shots on wednesday and thursday. If you are cycleing roids then the protocol goes out the window. And I am betting that he wont respond to the question.

 

[go_fast1]

I have been reading here about HRT for the past few months trying to learn everything I can about it and were to locate the sources for the medication.I have read DR,s SWALE instructions in the sticky several times ,but for some reason could not understand how often to take the 250iu hcg.I guess I had some sort of mental block keeping me from comprehending it.I understand it now .Is this correct ,100mg testerone cypionate once a week and a 250iu hcg shot 2 days before the test and a 250iu hcg shot the day before the test shot.

I called a local docter,s cliinic today to arrange for the blood work .I have some other health problems and I want get some lab work done for that .I also want have some other diagnogistic tests done for some other unrelated problems I am having.I want to quit dreaming about doing something for my self and start doing something.

I am 54 and I have worked out the majority of my adult life,with a very rigid schedule quite a few of those years .I took my workouts very seriuosly and always tried to learn as much as I could to get the most out of them . I have had numurous injuries over the years ,been in ICU and CCU countless times . I always tried not to give up and try my best to overcome my injuries and disabilities. .Now that I am older it just seems like I can,t heal up the way I used to . It seems like it takes longer and longer for me to recupurate.I felt like giving up and what was I even trying for .

I have never took steriods before , back a few years back I would have had them offered to me from several different people .But back then I was attending NA regular for the narcotic drug problem I had gotten .I was determined to be 100% drug free.I know I am getting off topic here but I am just trying to give the reasons I want to start HRT and have not before. I was just want say one more thing .When I quit taking drugs and was staying clean .I had finially acheived that cut muscular look that I always worked for but could not acheive .I had became stronger pound for pound than I had been before. I know it takes a lot of hard disipline to acheive those goals and they don,t come overnite.

I will be happy now if I can get started on this and just be able to go out and do all the maintence work on my house and property and get just a normal amount of strenght built backup.

go_fast1

 

[Mr. Masse]

What I believe he is saying is if for example you take your hrt shot on friday, that you take your 250iu hcg shots on wednesday and thursday. If you are cycleing roids then the protocol goes out the window. And I am betting that he wont respond to the question.

Uh duh, ya that makes sense now....lol

I was reading somewhere else on here that there are guys running 500iu ED while on cycle. My understanding was that if you were to run HCG longer term, you would run the risk of permanently shutting down endogenous T....correct?

Thanks bro.

 

[SWALE]

Please let's keep this Forum involved with issues involving HRT, not AAS use.

 

[kayzee]

my terrible experience

I am 48 year old guy in good physical condition. some where around age 42 I began to notice andropause symptoms. I purchased and read a couple of the top rated books and studied everything I could find online. then at age 44 I finally got my hands on a 10cc bottle of cyp testosterone. it was expensive purchased thru an internet hrt clinic after I faxed blood work to them.

THE HORROR:

I injected 100mg per week for total of 5 weeks. By this time I had bloated up 20 lbs. I couldn't run a 1/4 mile without low back pain. I was really lazy and sort of depressed. I stopped at that point. But Man! it took a long time to get back to normal and trim off that extra gut(boy did I pork up). from what I've read this seems to be a fairly radical reaction to such low dose injection of testosterone.

I have since come to suspect my problem is estrogen matabolsim. though I've not gotten much improvement from modified low carb diet and OTC products such as Diindolylmethane(DIM). I used DIM a couple years ago but discontinued after 4 months because I did not seem to notice a worth the money response. Maybe I should try it again at higher dose and give it more time. Anyhoo, I just sent a saliva sample to a hrt Dr. Kryger I found online. I'll be interested to see these results .

KZ out

 

[aznurse]

Kayzee, I am a patient of Swales. I would recommend contacting him as
it sounds like you need experienced advice.

 

[kayzee]

i think your right

Kayzee, I am a patient of Swales. I would recommend contacting him as
it sounds like you need experienced advice.

tell me about your experience with Dr. Swale. were you have symproms of andropause? what were they.