Modern Fat Loss Stack

[Proud Pangolin]

I saw Todd Lee talk about a new fat loss stack he is on for prep this year that was put together by Dom Kuza and I was wondering why everyone’s thoughts were on it:

AM:
- 20mcg of Clen
- 1mg of MotsC (injection)
- 600 mg of L-Carnitine (injection)

Every Meal:
- 250mcg of SLU-PP-32

At end of High Carb Days:
- 1 mg of Retatrutide

He mentioned that it’s the easiest prep he has every done (in terms of energy level, hunger control and fat loss rate) and the goal is to basically take the minimum effective dose of each component.

The downsides seem to be that many of these are not well tested in humans and who knows if mixing them adds addition risks or not… but in the flip side having tried most of these at the doses listed, it does seem like to would have minimal side effects and I can see how they can synergistically work together to provide great energy and fat burning effects.

Anyone else tried this stack as I would love to hear more experiences.

1. Clen is only usefull when you are under 10%. Its like the last thing for prep Ouyou trow in when you have a contest.
Clen will absolutely fuck with your heart. In my opinion its one of the worst risk to benefit compounds out there. Tahts why its only used in the last week before contest. Very dangerous. Some can run high dosages for years other land in the emergency or even grave after one pill.
=> Why would you take that?!!

2. Most-C wont do much

3. L-Carnitine wont do anything. Tge studys are a methodical desaster. Its just placebo. But you know what studys arent a methodical desaster? Those aboit carnitine fucking witg yout thryoid hormones so better stay away from that stuff.

The only real stuff that will work here are the GHRPs and the GHRH. However i would always stack them together.

And they also only really work for fatloss if take before 1h fasted cardio in the morning (which will btw ok its own do 20x more than your stack.here)

 

[nekojeeta]

1. Clen is only usefull when you are under 10%. Its like the last thing for prep Ouyou trow in when you have a contest.
Clen will absolutely fuck with your heart. In my opinion its one of the worst risk to benefit compounds out there. Tahts why its only used in the last week before contest. Very dangerous. Some can run high dosages for years other land in the emergency or even grave after one pill.
=> Why would you take that?!!

2. Most-C wont do much

3. L-Carnitine wont do anything. Tge studys are a methodical desaster. Its just placebo. But you know what studys arent a methodical desaster? Those aboit carnitine fucking witg yout thryoid hormones so better stay away from that stuff.

The only real stuff that will work here are the GHRPs and the GHRH. However i would always stack them together.

And they also only really work for fatloss if take before 1h fasted cardio in the morning (which will btw ok its own do 20x more than your stack.here)

If you follow logs and ifbb pros they are all taking clen for much longer periods… 6+ weeks. I started taking it a week ago at 20mg a day and it’s finally started to move the needle (I may switch to an Albuterol inhaler as I hear that works as well for fasted cardio and it seems to have a lower risk profile)

And I’m not sure why you wouldn’t just take Growth Hormone instead (I wouldn’t waste money on less effective secretagogues)

The effectiveness of the motsc and lcarn are still sus imho - so agreed on that front

 

[nekojeeta]

Clen/T3 is garbage. T3 especially, it'll catabolize muscle tissue due to being non-selective in energy sources and you'll wind up tiny.

If you want to lose an insane amount of fat, fast, eat 1,500-1,800kcal a day, do 30 mins of cardio daily, and take any GLP-1 so you don't cheat on your diet.

I dropped 60lbs in 110 days doing this on 350 Test + 30 Var.

The T3 if taken incorrectly catabolizes muscle

It seems like for Clen if you are on AAS and lifting that muscle loss is minimal

My diet is in check, I’m doing cardio and I’m on a glp1 but the fat loss has stalled, which is why I’m looking into alternative options. Adding low dose Clen and slupp332 seems to have gotten me out of the stall

 

[Proud Pangolin]

If you follow logs and ifbb pros they are all taking clen for much longer periods… 6+ weeks. I started taking it a week ago at 20mg a day and it’s finally started to move the needle (I may switch to an Albuterol inhaler as I hear that works as well for fasted cardio and it seems to have a lower risk profile)

And I’m not sure why you wouldn’t just take Growth Hormone instead (I wouldn’t waste money on less effective secretagogues)

The effectiveness of the motsc and lcarn are still sus imho - so agreed on that front

Which ifbb pros talk open about their stacks? Which of them dont lie when they do? AAS are still officially forbidden. That statement comes out of your ass sorry.

And even if: are you an ifbb pro? You know how you can be an ifbb pro? If you tokerate AAS EXTREMLY well. Not only that but thats ONE of the requirements for it. Which is exactly what i said, some people can tolerate high dosage over long periods of times othera die.
Besides that when these guys are 4 or 6 weeks out they are under 10% bodyfat.

And yes you can take GH. Howver for figeral fat for example Tesa is superior. So there are incidents where peptides are superior.
For fasted cardio peptides are better because with GH it takes like 1-2 h till it reaches its peak level

 

[nekojeeta]

Which ifbb pros talk open about their stacks? Which of them dont lie when they do? AAS are still officially forbidden. That statement comes out of your ass sorry.

And even if: are you an ifbb pro? You know how you can be an ifbb pro? If you tokerate AAS EXTREMLY well. Not only that but thats ONE of the requirements for it. Which is exactly what i said, some people can tolerate high dosage over long periods of times othera die.
Besides that when these guys are 4 or 6 weeks out they are under 10% bodyfat.

And yes you can take GH. Howver for figeral fat for example Tesa is superior. So there are incidents where peptides are superior.
For fasted cardio peptides are better because with GH it takes like 1-2 h till it reaches its peak level

The GH timing for lipolysis depends on whether you take it via IM or Subq.

I never mentioned high doses for Clen… I mentioned 20mg a day which isn’t going to kill anyone. Plenty of these guys talk about cycles and plenty of people on various forums etc talk both their cycles and plenty of ppl are taking Clen for longer periods than a week with great success

 

[Proud Pangolin]

The GH timing for lipolysis depends on whether you take it via IM or Subq.

I never mentioned high doses for Clen… I mentioned 20mg a day which isn’t going to kill anyone. Plenty of these guys talk about cycles and plenty of people on various forums etc talk both their cycles and plenty of ppl are taking Clen for longer periods than a week with great success

Yeah and because plenty of people do it, its a good idea?

Its very simple: are you under 10% bodyfat before contest prep and all you other compounds fail to break your plateau? Yes? Then Clen?

No? Then dont take it as long as you arent retarded and want to play "how to get an heart attack as fast as possible".


Use Reta, HGH and Cardio.

But do what you want. I dont care. Its your heart. Why do 15min more cardio if you can risk your health to achieve the same

 

[nekojeeta]

Yeah and because plenty of people do it, its a good idea?

Its very simple: are you under 10% bodyfat before contest prep and all you other compounds fail to break your plateau? Yes? Then Clen?

No? Then dont take it as long as you arent retarded and want to play "how to get an heart attack as fast as possible".


Use Reta, HGH and Cardio.

But do what you want. I dont care. Its your heart. Why do 15min more cardio if you can risk your health to achieve the same

Yeah and because plenty of people do it, its a good idea?

Its very simple: are you under 10% bodyfat before contest prep and all you other compounds fail to break your plateau? Yes? Then Clen?

No? Then dont take it as long as you arent retarded and want to play "how to get an heart attack as fast as possible".


Use Reta, HGH and Cardio.

But do what you want. I dont care. It’s your heart. Why do 15min more cardio if you can risk your health to achieve the same

A lot of ppl do it because it works…

I’ve hit a stall - I’m on Tirz, HGH and Test and calories are low and I’m doing cardio and lifting. This is likely because I’ve been on a long term deficit…I’ve tried carb cycling, increasing Tirz dose, increasing cardio, decreasing calories (the effect of the last two is I can’t function very well and my lifting goes to shit).

The Clen and Slu seem to have broken the plateau and I still have energy to function fwiw

 

[ChemBB]

My diet is in check ... but the fat loss has stalled

Your diet is in check for maintaining weight if you are... maintaining weight

 

[Shakez]

yes Im sure . 25g wont move . I put some on my finger and it feels like lube then in about 30 seconds its as sticky as honey .

1000mg/ml is going to be such a viscous fluid that there is no way it's going up a slin pin. Maybe if you heated it first.

 

[nekojeeta]

Your diet is in check for maintaining weight if you are... maintaining weight

1000mg/ml is going to be such a viscous fluid that there is no way it's going up a slin pin. Maybe if you heated it first.

Not true as that’s what I use with a 29G

 

[Proud Pangolin]

A lot of ppl do it because it works…

I’ve hit a stall - I’m on Tirz, HGH and Test and calories are low and I’m doing cardio and lifting. This is likely because I’ve been on a long term deficit…I’ve tried carb cycling, increasing Tirz dose, increasing cardio, decreasing calories (the effect of the last two is I can’t function very well and my lifting goes to shit).

The Clen and Slu seem to have broken the plateau and I still have energy to function fwiw

Try 2mg of AOD and 1mg right in the morning before fasted cardio together with 100mcq GHRP-2 and 100mcq CJC NO dac.
(Alternative if you have the money: switch the CJC with 2mg Tesamorelin, will work even better)

and after that you take your first 1,5/2 IU HGH and then another 1,5 /2IU of HGH in the evening/before bed for max. fatburning.

You will have better results with this than with Clen. Clen really ismt that great for fatloss. Its great for targetting the must stubburn fat but not much else

 

[lilhawk]

Take whatever money you plan to spend on peptides that try to mimic what GH does, put that money toward GH and take as much as you can afford, preferably pharma. Take Reta with it and with any sort of decent diet you will get shredded easily. Clen is junk as well and simply not needed.

 

[nekojeeta]

Take whatever money you plan to spend on peptides that try to mimic what GH does, put that money toward GH and take as much as you can afford, preferably pharma. Take Reta with it and with any sort of decent diet you will get shredded easily. Clen is junk as well and simply not needed.

I’m taking Tirz and GH (3ius before bed and 2iu in the AM) and have been stalled for awhile… the Clen + SLU helped finally break the stall

 

[DownDirty]

I saw Todd Lee talk about a new fat loss stack he is on for prep this year that was put together by Dom Kuza and I was wondering why everyone’s thoughts were on it:

AM:
- 20mcg of Clen
- 1mg of MotsC (injection)
- 600 mg of L-Carnitine (injection)

Every Meal:
- 250mcg of SLU-PP-32

At end of High Carb Days:
- 1 mg of Retatrutide

He mentioned that it’s the easiest prep he has every done (in terms of energy level, hunger control and fat loss rate) and the goal is to basically take the minimum effective dose of each component.

The downsides seem to be that many of these are not well tested in humans and who knows if mixing them adds addition risks or not… but in the flip side having tried most of these at the doses listed, it does seem like to would have minimal side effects and I can see how they can synergistically work together to provide great energy and fat burning effects.

Anyone else tried this stack as I would love to hear more experiences.

250mcg SLU-PP-332 is too little, you need more like 20mg+

20mcg Clen is good short term until you desensitize and downregulate your b2 receptors, then you need to come off for a bit

MOTSc is good but you can also just use Niacin and Apigenin to get a similar or stronger effect. Niacin also goes good with MOTSc. Any AMPK activator goes good with Niacin and you can basically replace MOTSc with any potent AMPK activator (or just caloric deficit and fasted cardio for fuck tons of AMPK activation)

Retatrutide is great, wanna make it even better? Add 0.25mg or 0.5mg Semaglutide per week with it. Retatrutide is 1/19/1 GLP-1/GIP/Glucagon signalling, but Semaglutide is ALL GLP-1, so they go super good together and Sema is dirt cheap now.

Wanna use something super powerful and relatively unknown? Try 500mcg Roflumilast, it cranks cAMP, goes great with beta2 agonists like Clen, or anything upstream of that like Ephedrine or Adderall etc.

AICAR is disgustingly good for AMPK activation, very slept on.

T4 is great in a deficit because of natural down regulation (t3 is good too, just don't overdo it)

Tadalafil is also amazing for fat loss. It's amazing for everything, the GOAT

GH is extremely important to get the most out of a cut. It raises hormone sensitive lipase which forces fatty acid release from adipose tissue, and it decreases lipoprotein lipase which allows for fatty acids to be reabsorbed into adipose tissue.

.... and if you really want to crank it up, add some mitochondrial uncouplers like BAM or DNP... or Tren, which very likely has miochondrial uncoupler properties... unproven but, it's likely why we heat up so much when we use it.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

250mcg SLU-PP-332 is too little, you need more like 20mg+

20mcg Clen is good short term until you desensitize and downregulate your b2 receptors, then you need to come off for a bit

MOTSc is good but you can also just use Niacin and Apigenin to get a similar or stronger effect. Niacin also goes good with MOTSc. Any AMPK activator goes good with Niacin and you can basically replace MOTSc with any potent AMPK activator (or just caloric deficit and fasted cardio for fuck tons of AMPK activation)

Retatrutide is great, wanna make it even better? Add 0.25mg or 0.5mg Semaglutide per week with it. Retatrutide is 1/19/1 GLP-1/GIP/Glucagon signalling, but Semaglutide is ALL GLP-1, so they go super good together and Sema is dirt cheap now.

Wanna use something super powerful and relatively unknown? Try 500mcg Roflumilast, it cranks cAMP, goes great with beta2 agonists like Clen, or anything upstream of that like Ephedrine or Adderall etc.

AICAR is disgustingly good for AMPK activation, very slept on.

T4 is great in a deficit because of natural down regulation (t3 is good too, just don't overdo it)

Tadalafil is also amazing for fat loss. It's amazing for everything, the GOAT

GH is extremely important to get the most out of a cut. It raises hormone sensitive lipase which forces fatty acid release from adipose tissue, and it decreases lipoprotein lipase which allows for fatty acids to be reabsorbed into adipose tissue.

.... and if you really want to crank it up, add some mitochondrial uncouplers like BAM or DNP... or Tren, which very likely has miochondrial uncoupler properties... unproven but, it's likely why we heat up so much when we use it.

Clen, Aderall,Ephidrine and DNP. Even if i wanted to, i couldnt really make a much better "heartinfarct in 2 years" stack

Maybe add some Yohibine to fuck even more with your heartreceptors than Clen already does and through in some Dbol to get high bloodpressure.

 

[DownDirty]

Clen, Aderall,Ephidrine and DNP. Even if i wanted to, i couldnt really make a much better "heartinfarct in 2 years" stack

Maybe add some Yohibine to fuck even more with your heartreceptors than Clen already does and through in some Dbol to get high bloodpressure.

Yeah, BP control is essential. Telmi and Nebi is the best combo for heart protection, Nebi directly counteracts the effects of Clen, Ephedrine, Adderall, etc. If your BP isn't under control with those two then you need an ACEi

The Roflumilast is a powerful antifibrotic, it will mitigate a lot of damage all on its own.

There are other "heart health essentials", Tadalafil is antifibrotic, Pomegranite extract cures atherosclerosis, 81mg Asprin(wide range of benefits outside of platelet aggregation inhibition), Omega3(EPA/DHA). I could name lots more.

Don't throw the sink at it without consideration.

 

[Bandern]

1. Clen is only usefull when you are under 10%. Its like the last thing for prep Ouyou trow in when you have a contest.

No