MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund

[Corduroy]

Nothing to do with the vials bro

Ok then I misunderstood. Finding the useful nuggets in that 400-post Primal thread hasn't been easy. Is it the plastic caps on the vials that's the possible source? Or literally nothing to do with the vials, just a plastic contaminant that could have come from anywhere?

 

[Sampei]

Ok then I misunderstood. Finding the useful nuggets in that 400-post Primal thread hasn't been easy. Is it the plastic caps on the vials that's the possible source? Or literally nothing to do with the vials, just a plastic contaminant that could have come from anywhere?

It's the bottle top filter leeching

 

[Photon]

Ok then I misunderstood. Finding the useful nuggets in that 400-post Primal thread hasn't been easy. Is it the plastic caps on the vials that's the possible source? Or literally nothing to do with the vials, just a plastic contaminant that could have come from anywhere?

You can think of it as the equipment used to mix the oil is melting into the oil itself. It's only for AAS, not peps.

 

[dinfar1337]

And the running theory is that the oil in the vial reacts with the rubber self-healing membrane of the vial and causes microplastics/nanoplastics to leech into the oil?

haha no, i said the bottletop filter is whats most likely causing it.

its just a theory and if higher concentration brews can get vial coring from either higher concentrations or us buttfucking the vial stopper with our needles ed its most likely isnt significant enough to cause any reaction.

theres a fine line between brainstorming and anything thats confirmed.

 

[Corduroy]

We are still waiting for Primal to receive/announce Jano results from GCMS testing of a bunch of other vials, correct? I think it was a dozen samples?

 

[Photon]

We are still waiting for Primal to receive/announce Jano results from GCMS testing of a bunch of other vials, correct? I think it was a dozen samples?

Been waiting for a month now.
I don't believe anything is sent out yet for GCMS.

3rd party and vendor testing results are not in sync, which means that there might be multiple batches at play. Do not trust vendor test reports too much.

 

[AlexDavis43]

haha no, i said the bottletop filter is whats most likely causing it.

its just a theory and if higher concentration brews can get vial coring from either higher concentrations or us buttfucking the vial stopper with our needles ed its most likely isnt significant enough to cause any reaction.

theres a fine line between brainstorming and anything thats confirmed.

You can think of it as the equipment used to mix the oil is melting into the oil itself. It's only for AAS, not peps.

It's the bottle top filter leeching

And this nitrogen-containing benzenemethanamine/plastic/whatever compound is a byproduct of polystyrene synthesis (bottle top filter) and is supposed to be present in any oils that have gone through that type of filter ? (so should be in the GCMS of other finished oils)

...and if so, we've been injecting this for decades, no acute or chronic toxicity ? (unless it's one of those bubble boy things: "injecting this compound every day for 40 years will cause achy joints and forgetfulness")

 

[Photon]

And this nitrogen-containing benzenemethanamine/plastic/whatever compound is a byproduct of polystyrene synthesis (bottle top filter) and is supposed to be present in any oils that have gone through that type of filter ? (so should be in the GCMS of other finished oils)

...and if so, we've been injecting this for decades, no acute or chronic toxicity ? (unless it's one of those bubble boy things: "injecting this compound every day for 40 years will cause achy joints and forgetfulness")

It's suspected to come from polystyrene. We will get confirmation by next week.

I do not know which vials/batches/vendor's gear they are present in. However it is the first time I'm seeing it and this spectra is not found in any other vendor vials, not even for higher solvent compounds like TNE.

I also cannot comment what vendors are using for filtering, bottletop filters are simply one of the many ways to filter, including syringe filters. They also come with different filters, plastic and what not. I'd assume a brewer will know what can or cannot be used.

I do not know what the short or long term impact is either, lol.

 

[dinfar1337]

I also cannot comment what vendors are using for filtering, bottletop filters are simply one of the many ways to filter, including syringe filters.

just a comment, older vendors used to share their brewing process in their introduction post. if u can still find one of those you can decide to trust it or not.

but from what i remember a good amount of them is gonna be contaimainted with plastic leeches.

 

[Photon]

(so should be in the GCMS of other finished oils)

It's not a new test, but it's rarely performed. We even have GCMS of Qsc's gear and we know they are long ago.

Most vendors will not perform it and if they did, the price of gear will go up and they will lose business.

just a comment, older vendors used to share their brewing process in their introduction post. if u can still find one of those you can decide to trust it or not.

but from what i remember a good amount of them is gonna be contaimainted with plastic leeches.

In the era of GPT, every answer is now a perfect answer.
Soon all these will be written by GPT with the best possible setup on the planet lol.

 

[dinfar1337]

In the era of GPT, every answer is now a perfect answer.
Soon all these will be written by GPT with the best possible setup on the planet lol.

ive just cooked some new tren with my hs lab sterilizer. 100% sterile bro

 

[Photon]

ive just cooked some new tren with my hs lab sterilizer. 100% sterile bro

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LOL i know which vendor that is..

 

[dontyellmepls]

** Starting a thread after there was some interest from initial post, and we have been kicking this idea around for a bit. **

What do you say we all start a special projects MESO fund for testing? Idea is to push the envelope beyond standard tests done today to help answer outstanding questions like bioactivity of UG GH.

For any GH "special" testing, I pitch we do it as a group to help build community here at MESO. I will commit $500 (and some product as part of the testing if we do head to head comparisons). Thoughts?

My concern at this point is Jano's bandwidth and people sending in product separately (pharma vs "generic"). Hence, logistically it may make sense for one person to send samples. Anyway, I'll support whatever the team thinks has best chance for credibility and success.

We also probably need trusted members to be trustees for the fund. Perhaps quorum (2 out of 3 trustees) decision to approve funds for a test? People can also pitch ideas to the decision team, etc.

Thanks for checking this out and look forward to what we come up with.

Wow, this is a good idea.

I could chip in like $200? maybe more next month because i m having a surgery soon and kinda strapped for cash at the moment

 

[dinfar1337]

Wow, this is a good idea.

I could chip in like $200? maybe more next month because i m having a surgery soon and kinda strapped for cash at the moment

brother, this is a community and we're all here to help each other.

get yourself a nice massage and some luxury after the surgery and chill nobody will come after your money especially when you're tight on cash.

if you however decide to donate.

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i wish you a full recovery!

 

[FastBun]

Been waiting for a month now.
I don't believe anything is sent out yet for GCMS.

3rd party and vendor testing results are not in sync, which means that there might be multiple batches at play. Do not trust vendor test reports too much.

That’s what errrbodyy get for dick riding him from the beginning…

 

[TallandSmall]

Been waiting for a month now.
I don't believe anything is sent out yet for GCMS.

I have a strange feeling that won’t be happening anymore.

That’s what errrbodyy get for dick riding him from the beginning…

I did 3 blind tests at the beginning and all were spot on. Paired with aggressive intro pricing, I think the initial hype was justified. We can’t let vendors hang their laurels on those initial results for subsequent batches. “Same raws bro.”

 

[Tdeck81]

We can’t let vendors hang their laurels on those initial results for subsequent batches. “Same raws bro.”

Agreed 100%. Initially he bought himself some good will but lately there have been more noticeable issues. I wonder if testing that isn’t up to par is just scrapped and a different sample sent. Is that’s why it’s been taking so long for results or are they never sent in the first place? Idk…everything I purchased was when he first opened and highly doubt any would be current batches.

 

[TallandSmall]

I wonder if testing that isn’t up to par is just scrapped and a different sample sent.

I’ve been getting suspicious as well. Whenever I have sent something to Jano, I get results in 2-4 days once received. I can’t imagine they think they would get away with it though given their testing reimbursement policy. They say they are going to start testing every batch and that they are still going to send the GCMS in October. I’m still optimistic on them, but I’ll just watch for now. Another vendor already got those fancy stoppers anyway.

 

[dinfar1337]

I can’t imagine they think they would get away with it though given their testing reimbursement policy

sometimes, the best hiding spot is where no one will suspect right in the open.

they're betting their balls no one will test it or care.

even the biggest sources will cheat where they can. its their pocket vs yours and i promise you they dont care about strangers on the internet

 

[Tdeck81]

I can’t imagine they think they would get away with it though given their testing reimbursement policy

Unless they are betting on the fact most people just don’t want to go through that hassle. I too am hoping it’s just careless/rushed mistakes.