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[Kralteramon]

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Clarity good.
Color, nah.

The more I think about this, the less I want to inject it. We should expect better. And help the sources understand. Brewing this shit at 80 deg C in air headspace aint the way.

I have some tren raws laying around and they are not white, but a little yellow. So I guess you'd also need pristine raws to brew clear Tren. If that's even a thing I'm still sceptical. Guy saying no sides and good bloods from 1g clear tren a week makes me think it's smth else. That is almost impossible.

 

[readalot]

I have some tren raws laying around and they are not white, but a little yellow. So I guess you'd also need pristine raws to brew clear Tren. If that's even a thing I'm still sceptical. Guy saying no sides and good bloods from 1g clear tren a week makes me think it's smth else. That is almost impossible.

Clear vs color. Separate characteristics.

Definitely room to improve the color of UG "tren" with many vendors. That was my point. Water white tren in oil... I agree that would most likely be tough and require some real work.

 

[Kralteramon]

Clear vs color. Separate characteristics.

Definitely room to improve the color of UG "tren" with many vendors. That was my point. Water white tren in oil. I agree that would most likely be tough and require some real work.

The question is. Has anybody seen and tested white tren raws?

 

[readalot]

The question is. Has anybody seen and tested white tren raws?

Great question. Probably no demand so UG doesnt produce? "Good enough" makes money.

Lots of folks injecting the crap shown above. Way "overcooked" for no reason.

Would be fun to see how white you could go with "best" UG tren raws available. As always the scheduled status of these drugs really creates an obstacle for health improvements.

 

[dinfar1337]

I have some tren raws laying around and they are not white, but a little yellow. So I guess you'd also need pristine raws to brew clear Tren. If that's even a thing I'm still sceptical. Guy saying no sides and good bloods from 1g clear tren a week makes me think it's smth else. That is almost impossible.

the time i did 1g was limited for 4 weeks so no bloodwork on it.


i do 400-600mg tren with good bloodwork tho

 

[readalot]

I have some tren raws laying around and they are not white, but a little yellow. So I guess you'd also need pristine raws to brew clear Tren. If that's even a thing I'm still sceptical. Guy saying no sides and good bloods from 1g clear tren a week makes me think it's smth else. That is almost impossible.

One other thing comes to mind that may he helpful. After working with color chemistry one often finds the color of feedstock may not at all correlate with color of finished product. Color of finished product can be feedstock and process dependent or largely just process dependent.

So at the least we could try to implement some best recommendations for not cooking the shit out out of the raws and see what happens. After all we are only after physical changes during the solution making process. Not chemical ones.

 

[Kralteramon]

One other thing comes to mind that may he helpful. After working with color chemistry one often finds the color of feedstock may not at all correlate with color of finished product. Color of finished product can be feedstock and process dependent or largely just process dependent.

So at the least we could try to implement some best recommendations for not cooking the shit out out of the raws and see what happens. After all we are only after physical changes during the solution making process. Not chemical ones.

You might be right. But one other argument I would like to bring up is that pharma tren, Finaplix-H for cattle is also yellow. Wouldn't Merck have their production quality up to the highest standards?

 

[readalot]

You might be right. But one other argument I would like to bring up is that pharma tren, Finaplix-H for cattle is also yellow. Wouldn't Merck have their production quality up to the highest standards?

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Good point. Cost/margin optimization. Look at the expected lifetime of the end user for the product.

But yeah, let's at least shoot for that spec if not better in the absence of additional exposure data!

Would be cool to have clinical trials for brown vs pale yellow "tren", haha.

 

[janoshik]

Oil color is not necessarily caused by the API.

 

[readalot]

Oil color is not necessarily caused by the API.

Amen. My hypothesis for the darkly colored "tren" is oxidation products made by tren during the brewing process, some of which are known chromophores. I was hoping we could clean up the "brewing" process and have people injecting more API and less degradation chemicals. Will it be helpful?

R

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 5, 2025

So bumping this. There may be a better thread. If there is let me know.

Anyone gone down the rabbit hole of tren color and the oxidation chemistry upon heating tren raws in oil with O2 headspace? @Type-IIx?

The chemistry is pretty straight forward with conjugated C-C double bonds (I will spare the numbering) reacting to form quinones which are known chromophores.

The rub is these benzoquinone tren derivatives are decently studied in cancer research for their ability to increase ROS and speed up cell death. So my hypothesis is that when you run darkly colored tren you are...

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[Bobik]

When I bought tren hex it was yellow. Now after a year of storage it is dark brown. Apparently the storage time also plays a role.

 

[readalot]

When I bought tren hex it was yellow. Now after a year of storage it is dark brown. Apparently the storage time also plays a role.

Hence need for proper antioxidant package in the formulations since they will have air around (even if initially vial were to have inert gas headspace). Great observation. Thank you.

 

[janoshik]

Amen. My hypothesis for the darkly colored "tren" is oxidation products made by tren during the brewing process, some of which are known chromophores. I was hoping we could clean up the "brewing" process and have people injecting more API and less degradation chemicals. Will it be helpful?

R

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 5, 2025

So bumping this. There may be a better thread. If there is let me know.

Anyone gone down the rabbit hole of tren color and the oxidation chemistry upon heating tren raws in oil with O2 headspace? @Type-IIx?

The chemistry is pretty straight forward with conjugated C-C double bonds (I will spare the numbering) reacting to form quinones which are known chromophores.

The rub is these benzoquinone tren derivatives are decently studied in cancer research for their ability to increase ROS and speed up cell death. So my hypothesis is that when you run darkly colored tren you are...

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Well as long as the brewing part is kept cool and the environment not oxidative by itself (think rancid oil) it's more of a raw quality thing imo. Then, of course antioxidants might have potential to prolong "safe" storage

 

[readalot]

Well as long as the brewing part is kept cool and the environment not oxidative by itself (think rancid oil) it's more of a raw quality thing imo. Then, of course antioxidants might have potential to prolong "safe" storage

Very nice. Peroxide value of oil. N2 sparge. Very low brew temps with right solvent support. AO package. Yeah, all those things source are on top of, lol.

Peroxide value - Wikipedia

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I don't think brewing tren A at 80 deg C the regular way is gonna cut it. But I have been wrong plenty.

Thanks for weighing in!

 

[janoshik]

Very nice. Peroxide value of oil. N2 sparge. Very low brew temps with right solvent support. AO package. Yeah, all those things source are on top of, lol.

Peroxide value - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I don't think brewing tren A at 80 deg C the regular way is gonna cut it. But I have been wrong plenty.

Thanks for weighing in!

One step at a time. Mct oil and room temp is 90% there.

 

[readalot]

One step at a time. Mct oil and room temp is 90% there.

How many sources (percentage wise) you think brew at room temp?

1%, 5%?

Many swear "you gotta take it to the melting point or close - within 20 deg C".

 

[janoshik]

How many sources (percentage wise) you think brew at room temp?

1%, 5%?

Many swear "you gotta take it to the melting point or close - within 20 deg C".

All that I used to talk to on the regular, but that's a bias by itself.

I sort of miss having the time to talk to people.

 

[readalot]

All that I used to talk to on the regular, but that's a bias by itself.

I sort of miss having the time to talk to people.

Call me

 

[dinfar1337]

Amen. My hypothesis for the darkly colored "tren" is oxidation products made by tren during the brewing process, some of which are known chromophores. I was hoping we could clean up the "brewing" process and have people injecting more API and less degradation chemicals. Will it be helpful?

R

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 5, 2025

So bumping this. There may be a better thread. If there is let me know.

Anyone gone down the rabbit hole of tren color and the oxidation chemistry upon heating tren raws in oil with O2 headspace? @Type-IIx?

The chemistry is pretty straight forward with conjugated C-C double bonds (I will spare the numbering) reacting to form quinones which are known chromophores.

The rub is these benzoquinone tren derivatives are decently studied in cancer research for their ability to increase ROS and speed up cell death. So my hypothesis is that when you run darkly colored tren you are...

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yes, its like boldeone raws. sometimes they come yellow and liquid like but i've never seen yellow boldeone solution in my life!

 

[readalot]

All that I used to talk to on the regular, but that's a bias by itself.

So sounds like 'Murica got a long way to go currently to MTGA!

You chaps across the pond sound like you got your shit in order.