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Hi has anyone got deca raws before an experienced a hot day and their raws melted and then went hard again?

I want to know if this is still good to use? I got mad ventraglute pip off my
Last 2 injections of a homebrew deca

Hard to tell if its the raws or what as every other time ive had no issue.
 
Gramsofbrew said:
Hi has anyone got deca raws before an experienced a hot day and their raws melted and then went hard again?

I want to know if this is still good to use? I got mad ventraglute pip off my
Last 2 injections of a homebrew deca

Hard to tell if its the raws or what as every other time ive had no issue.
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Well, It is no problem to use. Deca raws have a low melting point. They will melt even you order in June or Sep. Just remember to cook them all at a time. As to pip of deca, rarely heard it. I don't think it is raws problem.
 
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maxtom said:
Well, It is no problem to use. Deca raws have a low melting point. They will melt even you order in June or Sep. Just remember to cook them all at a time. As to pip of deca, rarely heard it. I don't think it is raws problem.
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I understand this but what i mean is if you leave it i your draw still in raw powder form then a hot day melts it to liquid then it goes back to waxy rock form. Is this still ok to use or not?
 
Not sure. Maybe you can have a testing on it. Probally yes if well sealed. Mostly I will suggest to store it in a cool & dry place!
 
Gramsofbrew said:
Yes

I understand this but what i mean is if you leave it i your draw still in raw powder form then a hot day melts it to liquid then it goes back to waxy rock form. Is this still ok to use or not?
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Yes it fine to use.. test e also dies this easily and it really common. As long as you filtered you brew with a .22 micron filter there should be zero bacteria. You most likely getting pip from just a unhappy Muscle or you may have been off a little on your injection and got a little subq leak. I've never had pip from deca. Only from my injection errors.
 
I know this is a old post... But it's something I'm trying to research currently.. I don't know what this guy is talking about ,but test E is not ok to brew once it melts,it's PIP city and I'm curious if deca has the same issue.. is there any guys on here that actually know what they are talking about and have had experience storing melted deca any significant amount of time?
 
Mac81 said:
I know this is a old post... But it's something I'm trying to research currently.. I don't know what this guy is talking about ,but test E is not ok to brew once it melts,it's PIP city and I'm curious if deca has the same issue.. is there any guys on here that actually know what they are talking about and have had experience storing melted deca any significant amount of time?
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That's interesting, what you're saying about Test E. There's all kinds of theory and conjecture as to why there's so many pip complaints of Test E. I've heard it's from the cleaning agents they use between making different raws, I've heard it'll happen after it ages, and now I'm seeing what you're saying here about after it melts and solidifies again (I will say, mine melted, then solidified, and the pip was insufferable). I can't say for certain why mine caused pip city, it's one or more of these issues I'd imagine. It would be interesting if you're able to connect the dots and prove it's from the melting and solidifying again. Test E and Deca are the only ones I know about that do this due to low melting point.
 
I don't see how melting in transit can cause pip.

I'm not saying it's impossible just doesn't sound probable especially since it'll be heated so it goes into solution during brewing.

Could be lower melting point raws are of a poorer quality or made utilizing a different process.

Just spit balling here, I'd love to learn more about it.
 
I will tell you why I believe that.. because over many many years.. I can't give you an exact amount.. I bought test e for my own TRT.. from 2009 till maybe 3 years ago when I switched to test C.. I generally had a habit of buying a couple hundred grams at most and brewing it when I got it. Then I would put all the vials in my safe and use them till they were gone, but sometimes I wouldn't brew all of it I would keep some of the raw material and leave it in the safe, And then try to brew it later.. And every time, that second batch I brewed from the same raws would f****** up bad every time I injected it.. several times I wrote it off as maybe I f***** the recipe up, because I was so accustomed to making it I've done it a hundred times, sometimes I would be drinking or smoking pot and be preoccupied and I always would try to tell myself maybe I f*** the recipe up somehow I always figured I might have put too much BA in it.. but eventually I started paying much more attention and I realized it definitely wasn't that, as soon as they melt, They never do solidify quite right again Even if you freeze it, It's still like solidified Vaseline, It won't even recrystallize right even if you freeze it, what I've heard people claim will work with other types of raws. I definitely pinpointed it down to letting it melt. It didn't matter how long I left it sit after I brewed it, It would stay perfectly fine, I'm talking years, but if I left it melt one time just over the summer, It was f***** and I ended up throwing it out every time and buying more because it hurt so bad to inject, That's how I came to where I'm at about test e.. That's why I wanted to know does any other type of steroid do that?
 
I won't use it specifically for that reason because you can't store it, You either brew it all at once, or plan on throwing the rest out, That's why I've been on test C for a couple years, I don't like the low dosage that you can only achieve, I'm pretty much stuck around 250 to 300, what it doesn't matter how long I let that stuff sit around, It's just like the day I bought it. There is something up with test e... So I don't have a scientific reason to back it up, but I do have 15 years of experience brewing it and trying to store it, And it does the same f****** thing every time no matter where I get it from
 
I guess I'm just trying to get some experience from other guys that have been doing this s*** for a long time, because I am very wary of buying any sort of raw that can potentially melt other than EQ, I pretty much stuck with the same stuff for many years, test,tren,EQ,anadrol,dbol. I never really messed with a lot of other steroids. I don't get estrogen side effects from anything, so I never went down to primo or Masteron road. I've had good luck with those ones and I never seen any reason to change. But I have found out that I really like Deca alot, I wished I had found that out sooner, but I've been having amazing results with it and I like how it makes me feel. But I'm not trying to buy a bunch of it and get f***** over like I was with test e. That's why I wanted to know who on here has been buying Deca for many years, And have they had any bad luck with it melting ever? That's why I can't believe these guys keep buying sustanon right now, because I always heard it did the same thing.. And that s*** is definitely showing up melted this time of year
 
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Now I don't know if there's a time limit as far as how long it can sit melted before it turns into awful pip... Perhaps you can order it from China and it can be melted for a few weeks in the mail and you can still brew it when you get it and it'll be okay.. that I can't tell you because I always bought it in the winter when it wasn't melted, but I can definitely tell you if you, let it sit for a few months in a melted state, You might as well throw it out or you're going to have a rough time using it.... And I'm not the only guy that knows about this. I specifically spoke to other members on this forum about this issue, so I know I'm not crazy and I know other people have had the exact same problem, as a matter of fact somebody on here had a scientific explanation as to why it does that, It was something about some sort of acid that appears, or accumulates, or something, but it does it when it melts. I've searched for it to try to find where we were having the discussion, but I can't find it
 
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So the short Version for me beginnen is that i shouldnt freeze the raws? Because we will get pip? Can anyone confirm this?
Thx
 
knucklesamich said:
That's interesting, what you're saying about Test E. There's all kinds of theory and conjecture as to why there's so many pip complaints of Test E. I've heard it's from the cleaning agents they use between making different raws, I've heard it'll happen after it ages, and now I'm seeing what you're saying here about after it melts and solidifies again (I will say, mine melted, then solidified, and the pip was insufferable). I can't say for certain why mine caused pip city, it's one or more of these issues I'd imagine. It would be interesting if you're able to connect the dots and prove it's from the melting and solidifying again. Test E and Deca are the only ones I know about that do this due to low melting point.
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And unless you are brewing and using your own stuff, You probably would never actually make the connection as to what's happening. Which I think is the case, The majority of these labs aren't run by guys that actually bodybuild too, They just cook the s*** and sell it. So you got all these batches of test e causing pip everywhere, And probably 90 different allegations as to why, solvents,bad recipes,etc. And nobody's realizing it's probably just melted raws? Because if you're a big lab, I'm sure you got a f*** ton of test e , And you tested it when you got it,You know that s*** was pure,They probably just think the customers are crazy.. that s*** was just fine The first batch we put out, how the f*** is anything wrong with it now? Those are just assumptions I'm making obviously, they're probably not realizing once it turned from powder to liquid, something weird happens to it. I was just talking to a guy that runs a big lab recently, And he was like damn dude I never had any idea, really? And then he says you know I've never actually left to sit around though, I sell so much of it I usually have that s*** cooked up long before it melts. So it all depends on the source how they're storing it and how long they've had it
 
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Anyone have a harvest right freeze dryer? It would be interesting to run the raws through it and then attempt long term storage and brewing to see if it makes a difference.
 
My very first injectable cycle, I brewed up melted test e. I didn't know anything at the time. It came looking like a clump of yellowish wax after obviously solidifying again in the packet. My first shot had awful pip like ive never experienced. Quad throbbing for days. This was pip to the point that I thought I had an infection. The same thing happened to a friend who started at the same time.

I assumed it was bacteria somehow, even though I used 3.5% BA, and a whatman .22. I baked at I believe 230 for an hour or two in the oven with a pin in the top to release gasses. Low pip after that which I chalked up to using too much BA, and finished my cycle fine. If you have a vial, give it a try.

Pure speculation down this path. I didnt use heat to brew. The test e could possibly retain a crystalline structure, or something that broke down with heat.
 
Steve0815 said:
So do you freeze your raws or not? For long durability. if you have a big pack i dont think its smart to Cook all?
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Things in the mail can get super hot, unlike your closet. I dont see the necessity to freeze. Are you trying to store it for a decade?

I had my test e melt, and solidify again before brewing. It still ended up pip free. There's more to this.
 
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