Mast sufficient for aromatase control on TRT

[rrambo1]

I've been on a Test/Mast journey for almost 11 months now. While cruising and blasting... It's been a hell of a journey... from 1:1 at 100mg each to 200mg each to 400mg each to 2:1 at 600 Test/300 Mast... to now 7:1... 700 Test/100 Mast..

The real interesting part.. I'm 48 and had bad, 20+ year old gyno since my 20's... very sensitive to anything.. like taking OTC things would cause nipple soreness, itching, etc...

After the last 11 months of Mast... my 20+ year old gyno is COMPLETELY gone... and I haven't used any AI the entire time... Right now I feel the best and dialed in at 700 Test/100 Mast with 25mg/day of Proviron thrown in because of the effect is has on my libido.

 

[MrGTO]

I am doing a 1:1 trst e/mast e @ 300/wk. i was getting high e2 signs( e2 blood work before mast was 92) with my chest & nipps spicy w just test so instead of an AI im trying mast to see if it helps. I have been taking some boron at 9mg a day to see if that helps lower e2 sides. So far it seems to help. Imma pull bloods soon to see what they are after this change. I do have aromasin on hand just in case. The only thing w mast is ive had to increase my water consumption because i started cramping.

 

[rrambo1]

So mast won't actually lower your E2 numbers but it does correct/mask the symptoms.. which honestly is the goal.. I think people see "mask the symptoms" and think that it's not really doing anything.. but it is.. so don't be surprised if your E2 is still high, don't let that be the deciding factor. and yes, you will get cramping if you don't keep your water intake up.

 

[MrGTO]

I have read in my research that having high e2 isn’t necessarily a bad thing, its just if your having sides that is bad. I am not having any major issues but i want to keep ahead of it. I am trying to go down the road of another aas vs ai but i will do what is necessary. The boron idea i got from reading several articles about its benefits. It may not do much but if it can reduce my e2 enough to keep the nips from getting itchy its worth a shot. I still have my ai in hand if it doesn’t work out. Im running boron for a few weeks then getting bloods to see as well as feelz test. I just started so i cant say for sure yet.

 

[Upbeatrawfish]

Doesn't boron help your body to convert more free test? Never heard of it having ai affects.
I know DIM lowers e2.

 

[MrGTO]

The research that i have done was that if you use boron for a short time it can lower e2 & long term it will raise it. I am trying to get my e2 down then control it with mast if i can. Its a trial & error thing. My bf was high when I started so i knew i had to watch e2. I am down significantly on bf now so i am trying to get a good baseline now to know how i need to take care of myself.

 

[Turbo charged]

Bring your body fat down you will aromatherapy less you should not need a ai on 150 mg at all. I only need a ai if I go above 500. That was not the case when I was 20 percent body fat.

 

[RomanMVP]

The research that i have done was that if you use boron for a short time it can lower e2 & long term it will raise it. I am trying to get my e2 down then control it with mast if i can. Its a trial & error thing. My bf was high when I started so i knew i had to watch e2. I am down significantly on bf now so i am trying to get a good baseline now to know how i need to take care of myself.

Just have to say, that's a fine GOAT you have there, my man.

 

[MrGTO]

Bring your body fat down you will aromatherapy less you should not need a ai on 150 mg at all. I only need a ai if I go above 500. That was not the case when I was 20 percent body fat.

I am taking 300 each of test/mast. I am closing in on 15% bf. With a good diet and the right macros ive shed alot of it. Im to the stubborn fat now…. I started the Mast mid cycle and i can definitely tell a difference. Im about to add var when i get it in and finish off with more calorie restrictions and increased cardio to shed the last of my bf.

 

[3Th3osis3]

I would run it at 50-75 Mg considering it is for long term purposes. Good quality mast, and I'd wait to assess the results for at least 6 months.

 

[bodybuilder8806]

I'll give my experience, which doesn't apply to everyone. Mast and Proviron don't do anything to lower estrogen significantly for me, however they do increase the Androgen to Estrogen ratio and mitigate some E2 effects. If I run mast or prov higher than my testosterone especially at lower dosages I get low E2 symptoms even if E2 isn't low according to bloodwork and I feel like garbage, gains stall, and I stay fairly flat.

The one DHT derivative that is an exception for me is Primo. It directly competes with aromatase from what I've seen personally, and it lowers my serum Estrogen / E2 levels in my blood work significantly. I've found that running test : primo at a 2:1 ratio or near this works best, but things such as HCG can skew this a bit requiring slightly higher Primo. I doubt I'll ever use an AI again personally and when I feel like I'm running aromatizing compounds at high enough dosages where one may be needed I'll just put in some Primo for good measure.

 

[HKOX]

I'll give my experience, which doesn't apply to everyone. Mast and Proviron don't do anything to lower estrogen significantly for me, however they do increase the Androgen to Estrogen ratio and mitigate some E2 effects. If I run mast or prov higher than my testosterone especially at lower dosages I get low E2 symptoms even if E2 isn't low according to bloodwork and I feel like garbage, gains stall, and I stay fairly flat.

The one DHT derivative that is an exception for me is Primo. It directly competes with aromatase from what I've seen personally, and it lowers my serum Estrogen / E2 levels in my blood work significantly. I've found that running test : primo at a 2:1 ratio or near this works best, but things such as HCG can skew this a bit requiring slightly higher Primo. I doubt I'll ever use an AI again personally and when I feel like I'm running aromatizing compounds at high enough dosages where one may be needed I'll just put in some Primo for good measure.

Running 500mg test prop and 250mg Primo with 25mg oxandrolone and 50mg NPP e5d for my shoulder (now testing 25mg). Way less bloat on this blast and I think it's the Primo. Making some nice solid gains too while in caloric deficit. Been curious to try Proviron and Masteron as well, but I really like Primo already!

 

[Turbo charged]

Running 500mg test prop and 250mg Primo with 25mg oxandrolone and 50mg NPP e5d for my shoulder (now testing 25mg). Way less bloat on this blast and I think it's the Primo. Making some nice solid gains too while in caloric deficit. Been curious to try Proviron and Masteron as well, but I really like Primo already!

I would drop the npp for straight deca nnp half ilife is about 5 days should inject npp eod to keep it stable in ur system deca would be better. Other than that everything looks nice

 

[HKOX]

I would drop the npp for straight deca nnp half ilife is about 5 days should inject npp eod to keep it stable in ur system deca would be better. Other than that everything looks nice

That's why I inject e5d. NPP levels stay high for three to four days then dip. I get veterinary GMP grade NPP incredibly cheap, which is why I am sticking with it. I'd have to spend more and go UGL for Deca.

 

[HKOX]

Nandrolone phenylpropionate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is a chart with the curves for NPP vs ND.

 

[ManK]

I've been on a Test/Mast journey for almost 11 months now. While cruising and blasting... It's been a hell of a journey... from 1:1 at 100mg each to 200mg each to 400mg each to 2:1 at 600 Test/300 Mast... to now 7:1... 700 Test/100 Mast..

The real interesting part.. I'm 48 and had bad, 20+ year old gyno since my 20's... very sensitive to anything.. like taking OTC things would cause nipple soreness, itching, etc...

After the last 11 months of Mast... my 20+ year old gyno is COMPLETELY gone... and I haven't used any AI the entire time... Right now I feel the best and dialed in at 700 Test/100 Mast with 25mg/day of Proviron thrown in because of the effect is has on my libido.

add aas to avoid a low dose of AI is in my opinion a non sense.

 

[HKOX]

add aas to avoid a low dose of AI is in my opinion a non sense.

I was skeptical as well, but Primo seems to do exactly what I need. Maybe for someone more sensitive to estrogen or with higher levels, an AI would still be needed.

 

[1Megaman]

I've been on a Test/Mast journey for almost 11 months now. While cruising and blasting... It's been a hell of a journey... from 1:1 at 100mg each to 200mg each to 400mg each to 2:1 at 600 Test/300 Mast... to now 7:1... 700 Test/100 Mast..

The real interesting part.. I'm 48 and had bad, 20+ year old gyno since my 20's... very sensitive to anything.. like taking OTC things would cause nipple soreness, itching, etc...

After the last 11 months of Mast... my 20+ year old gyno is COMPLETELY gone... and I haven't used any AI the entire time... Right now I feel the best and dialed in at 700 Test/100 Mast with 25mg/day of Proviron thrown in because of the effect is has on my libido.

How do your lipids look running mast for that long?

 

[ManK]

I was skeptical as well, but Primo seems to do exactly what I need. Maybe for someone more sensitive to estrogen or with higher levels, an AI would still be needed.

Considering also that to control e2 on TRT (not on cycle) it need really a ridicule dose of ai...

 

[HKOX]

Considering also that to control e2 on TRT (not on cycle) it need really a ridicule dose of ai...

I just did a 600mg a week test prop blast with no AI. No issues aside from a little bloat and body hair growth. Felt great but my libido was out of control!

I just bought some Masteron and intend to use it at 100mg a week with 750mg test on my next blast, along with 250mg Primobolan, 25-50mg e5d of NPP and 25mg ED of injectable stanozolol.