Maintaining metabolic rate when cutting

[JesterBOB]

Coconut oil contains 54% MCTs (medium-chain triglycerides), unlike long- chain FAs, MCTs go to the liver and are available as energy substrates more rapidly by other tissues & are preferentially used to produce ketone bodies that can be used instead of glucose, AAs, or FAs by most tissues... they confer a protein sparing effect.

Still, 46% of coconut oil is largely just saturated fat, it's very energy dense.

MCT products are often derived from coconut oil, but they taste horrific and make you shit grease. One of those things that looks good on paper, but in practice, is not well tolerated (nausea, vomiting, diarrhea).

I eat MCT as I don't mind . Adding that active coconut oil goes into fuel for energy when you're on a deficit. Somewhere there are studies on this topic.

 

[Type-IIx]

I eat MCT as I don't mind . Adding that active coconut oil goes into fuel for energy when you're on a deficit. Somewhere there are studies on this topic.

Sure, coconut oil has some benefits vs. butter of course but is still energy dense, and MCT products can really help to reduce b.f. % at already low levels. The claims that it increases RMR and thyroid function are dubious however.

 

[JesterBOB]

Sure, coconut oil has some benefits vs. butter of course but is still energy dense, and MCT products can really help to reduce b.f. % at already low levels. The claims that it increases RMR and thyroid function are dubious however.

Agree completely. But I usually use 50% and 50% butter and coconut oil in my

 

[malfeasance]

. . . didn't drop much weight but look visibly better. I think that as I also restarted AAS when I started the cut . . .

. . . I've been on pretty low calories since I started the cut. For example, yesterday I ate only around 1300 calories, however some days if I feel super hungry or a massive lack of energy I will up calories, the highest I've eaten for the past month was around 2500 though, so should still be at/below maintenance.

. . .

I've been training 4/5days a week and cardio most of those days, probably between 1hr to 2hrs a week.

I got some clenbuterol on hand which I can add if I stall. I estimate I need to lose about 10kgs of fat to be lean enough so I don't look fat when I bulk so I'm expecting to carry on with the cut for at least 10 more weeks

The days I eat more I'm generally not eating junk, just more rice or put oats in my shake.
I'm seeing it as essentially a refeed but instead of picking one day a week I do it based on how I feel.

If you have experience doing something similar. I.e. eating based on how you feel
Would this up/down calories shift depending on how I feel be enough to maintain my metabolic rate and ensure I don't stall quickly?

So,TheCant, 1300 calories 4 weeks in??? Damn.

But now you are 8 weeks in. So, what have you changed, and what has your progress been?

Post up pics from 8 weeks ago and now. Let us know what you are doing and how it is going. Are you making any progress? If so, then what did you change?

 

[malfeasance]

No, has nothing to do with “smoothly.” Has everything to do with “minimum effective dose” where the dose here is deficit or surplus.

4 periods of 2 weeks at a 500 cal continuous deficit will be more effective than 8 weeks ar a 2000 cal deficit for body fat, muscle retention, and performance.

Let’s say the end of your “bulk” was 4k cals.

Step 1 of your diet should be, for instance, a 250 cal/day diet deficit plus a 250 cal/day cardio deficit repeated when progress stops totaling 750 cal deficit from diet and cardio in say 6 weeks and NOT a 750 cal/day diet deficit and a 750 cal/day cardio deficit straight away from day 1.

You take awa cals/add activity only as much as needed to maximize the number of adjustments that can be made before cals get comically low or activity comically high.

@Type-IIx is speaking to my other point; people are weak and what isn’t measured can’t be improved. Eating intuitively isn’t a diet strategy for losing fat.

Your posts should all be required fucking reading for members here.

 

[malfeasance]

Coconut oil contains 54% MCTs (medium-chain triglycerides), unlike long- chain FAs, MCTs go to the liver and are available as energy substrates more rapidly by other tissues & are preferentially used to produce ketone bodies that can be used instead of glucose, AAs, or FAs by most tissues... they confer a protein sparing effect.

Still, 46% of coconut oil is largely just saturated fat, it's very energy dense.

MCT products are often derived from coconut oil, but they taste horrific and make you shit grease. One of those things that looks good on paper, but in practice, is not well tolerated (nausea, vomiting, diarrhea).

The coconut oil diarrhea diet. I bet I can market this on the internet and make millions.

 

[malfeasance]

Sure, coconut oil has some benefits vs. butter

Makes popcorn taste better.

 

[Inspired]

I've never gotten any diarrhea from coconut oil. I have had some nausea or upset stomach feeling, but that was due to the brand of coconut oil I was using. So my recommendation would be to switch your brand or find a new brand if you are having any kind of issue at all.

And yes, homemade popcorn with coconut oil melted on it is the best popcorn. I use deodorizer coconut oil for the popcorn if and when I make it.

 

[malfeasance]

I've never gotten any diarrhea from coconut oil. I have had some nausea or upset stomach feeling, but that was due to the brand of coconut oil I was using. So my recommendation would be to switch your brand or find a new brand if you are having any kind of issue at all.

And yes, homemade popcorn with coconut oil melted on it is the best popcorn. I use deodorizer coconut oil for the popcorn if and when I make it.

I was joking - I think he was referring to MCT oil derived from coconut oil, not coconut oil itself.

 

[JesterBOB]

I've never gotten any diarrhea from coconut oil. I have had some nausea or upset stomach feeling, but that was due to the brand of coconut oil I was using. So my recommendation would be to switch your brand or find a new brand if you are having any kind of issue at all.

And yes, homemade popcorn with coconut oil melted on it is the best popcorn. I use deodorizer coconut oil for the popcorn if and when I make it.

Thanks for the coconut oil popcorn. I tried it and it's very tasty!

 

[malfeasance]

Some of us are old enough to remember when movie theater popcorn was cooked in coconut oil . . . 'til experts decided it was not health and vegetable oil is cheaper.

 

[Inspired]

Some of us are old enough to remember when movie theater popcorn was cooked in coconut oil . . . 'til experts decided it was not health and vegetable oil is cheaper.

I thought it still was cooked in coconut oil? The theater butter is also coconut oil (or so I thought).

It's been a long time since I had movie theater popcorn though. I absolutely refuse to eat any seed oils nowadays.

I have one of those super cheapo air popcorn makers, that's unexpectedly powerful and sounds turbine and it's pretty hilarious to use because it starts shooting popcorn everywhere. Anyone who hasn't ever seen one in action usually gets a good laugh out of it.

So when I airpop the popcorn, I pre-melt the coconut oil, and I drizzle it on the popcorn in the bowl. Then I throw salt on and then drizzle more coconut oil. It's really good. Just try it if you haven't done it.

 

[malfeasance]

Some do, some don't, but here is a flashback to 28 years ago.

Remembering the Great Anti-Popcorn Hysteria of 1994

“The scariest thing at the movies isn't Jason or Freddy Krueger... It's popcorn," the New York Times once wrote. They were being serious.

www.vice.com

 

[Inspired]

Some do, some don't, but here is a flashback to 28 years ago.

Remembering the Great Anti-Popcorn Hysteria of 1994

“The scariest thing at the movies isn't Jason or Freddy Krueger... It's popcorn," the New York Times once wrote. They were being serious.

www.vice.com

That's a great article. They really created a lot of fear about coconut oil. Many people were afraid that coconut oil would "give them a heart attack". It was all lies. Even hydrogenated coconut oil is safe to use, so they also lied about that when using it as an excuse for picking bad data to rely upon.

 

[JesterBOB]

Some of us are old enough to remember when movie theater popcorn was cooked in coconut oil . . . 'til experts decided it was not health and vegetable oil is cheaper.

And I thought why he had a different taste before, it turns out that's the reason. Means a taste from a distant past.

 

[JesterBOB]

I have one of those super cheapo air popcorn makers, that's unexpectedly powerful and sounds turbine and it's pretty hilarious to use because it starts shooting popcorn everywhere. Anyone who hasn't ever seen one in action usually gets a good laugh out of it.

I always liked when popcorn flies from these machines. It somehow looked like fun.

 

[Inspired]

I always liked when popcorn flies from these machines. It somehow looked like fun.

You should buy one and try it. It's one of the few things in life that just made me start laughing uncontrollably. Eventually you know that if you put a big bowl in the right place, the popcorn will mostly go into the bowl. It's still a lot of fun.

 

[JesterBOB]

You should buy one and try it. It's one of the few things in life that just made me start laughing uncontrollably. Eventually you know that if you put a big bowl in the right place, the popcorn will mostly go into the bowl. It's still a lot of fun.

My wife and I already decided that we should definitely try it, you aroused interest and, most importantly, appetite

 

[Inspired]

My wife and I already decided that we should definitely try it, you aroused interest and, most importantly, appetite

Let us know when you try it. I hope it's as fun for you as it was for me. Plus, you will never want to eat other popcorn once you make your own.

 

[JesterBOB]

Let us know when you try it. I hope it's as fun for you as it was for me. Plus, you will never want to eat other popcorn once you make your own.

It's delicious, it's extremely tasty and now we don't know how to refuse to eat it every day