Low dose masteron?

[RockyP]

Massive thanks bro, yeah I love how mast acts like a shield for some of the trashy symptoms of 19nors and other compounds.

What stops you from running mast in the bulk alongside npp? I understand you want to push test but why not just use more mast to mask more?

What’s the line in the sand I mean hahaha, like 400 test and above, primo makes more since cuz of the estrogenic load?

Nothing at all. I run mast with test and nandrolone all the time. Just basically comes down to what I have more of in my stash and what needs to be used. The one thing I do find is that mast is a stronger androgen than primo so if you don’t need / want lots of aggression / neural drive and or if you want to give your CNS a little break then I opt for primo over mast.

 

[DeliriousNatty]

Thanks bro I’ll keep all this in mind. You’ve been a massive help

 

[drolonaguy]

Has anyone around here ran a deca mast combo without test?

 

[Photon]

Has anyone around here ran a deca mast combo without test?

where's e2 coming from?

 

[ZPHR]

I like running low dose mast occasionally. It's very subtle at 100 but you do notice it. I find it helps keep the water off ever so slightly with more wet compounds and gives me a small mental boost.

Goes quite well with trt level test too. Much more noticeable there, especially if it's mast p.

 

[drolonaguy]

Deca only has been popular in some places and for some people mast is not that effective for estrogen management

 

[bigead]

Makes me pee about every hour, but I do feel a bit more snappy on 150mg mast e a week

 

[TheDuderino85]

Ive got a few mast e vials, will probably just add it low dose next to my trt cruise. Wanna get the bf down more before I'd even wanna introduce this compound.

 

[tripleog]

Ran low dose quite a bit, 150 to 200mg per week. I swear it's better than taking AI's. Just keeps things a bit tighter, still notice more hardness than nothing even on 100mg pw.

 

[hellerhiwater]

im so confused about whether or not masteron is anabolic or affects e2 at all.

ive seen everything from its only anabolic in high doses, to its purely cosmetic, to its a SERM, to it'll actually crash e2, to it has no effect on e2 and finally that it will take ur dick and twist it

it has got to be the compound with the MOST conflicting reports.

 

[TheDuderino85]

im so confused about whether or not masteron is anabolic or affects e2 at all.

ive seen everything from its only anabolic in high doses, to its purely cosmetic, to its a SERM, to it'll actually crash e2, to it has no effect on e2 and finally that it will take ur dick and twist it

it has got to be the compound with the MOST conflicting reports.

I always understood it was non anabolic and purely cosmetic and acted like a SERM.

 

[RockyP]

im so confused about whether or not masteron is anabolic or affects e2 at all.

ive seen everything from its only anabolic in high doses, to its purely cosmetic, to its a SERM, to it'll actually crash e2, to it has no effect on e2 and finally that it will take ur dick and twist it

it has got to be the compound with the MOST conflicting reports.

Only way to know for yourself is to give it a try.

I think it’s behind their membership paywall unfortunately but there are many clients in the J3U ecosystem who have made significant off season tissue gains while only adjusting their masteron up. Now these guys are all on high test dosages but their progress is well documented and the increased dosages of mast with test being constant (as well as diet changes to accommodate the higher gear load) led to gains.

Mast is a pretty strong androgen and it can be run at high dosages for long periods of time. That’s the nuance that leads super heavies towards using it. It’s a “relatively” benign drug to add to test to get your total mg amount up. Most guys can’t handle 800 mg of deca, def not 800 of Tren. Maybe 800 of primo or eq but then you have to take into account the AI impact of those and then adjust test dose. And the test dosage comes first so if EQ or primo crush your E2 and you run 1g test you’re limited to maybe 500-600 of either of those. Whereas with mast you can run 800–1000 with 1000 test and not worry about E2 crashing.

Compare that to something like halotestin which is an incredibly strong androgen, but I think we would all agree while it is great for performance / aggression / hardening of muscle it doesn’t add much in the way of tissue. But that’s largely because it can’t be run at high dosages for long periods of time like Masteron can.

One thing is for sure. Debating Masteron among PED users is like religion / politics with gen pop. Everyone has their strongly held opinions and finding objective data is challenging. So the best thing to do is make your own data.

My 2 cents is I get great performance enhancement from mast in terms of neural drive. It’s fantastic cosmetically. And for me it mitigates any sides from 19-nor’s. So it’s a favorite of mine. But everyone has their own thoughts about it. Admittedly I’ve never m run it high (over 600) along with high test just to see the results. I might give it a try. I usually run it 1:1 with test but not what I’d consider high. I like to keep test moderate and take advantage of stronger compounds like Tren and nandrolone with mast in the background controlling the sides. But I think I may try something like 700 test / 700 mast for a few months just to see.

 

[phatty1]

So this thread just reminded me I have a 10ml vial of mast p. I've never tried it before but a bud gave it to me and said to give it a whirl. Couple of questions, Does weight have any bearing on what my starting weekly dose should be? I'm 6.4 235, 63yr for reference. Vial says 10ml , 100 per ml. Thinking I should start at 50 or 100ml but not sure, any thoughts appreciated.

Also is it subq or im? I switched my trt to subq a yrs ago with no dropoff in #'s and zero issues.
Thnx

 

[RockyP]

So this thread just reminded me I have a 10ml vial of mast p. I've never tried it before but a bud gave it to me and said to give it a whirl. Couple of questions, Does weight have any bearing on what my starting weekly dose should be? I'm 6.4 235, 63yr for reference. Vial says 10ml , 100 per ml. Thinking I should start at 50 or 100ml but not sure, any thoughts appreciated.

Also is it subq or im? I switched my trt to subq a yrs ago with no dropoff in #'s and zero issues.
Thnx

I’d go IM with it. Anything less than 150-200 per week is likely a waste. So I’d grab a few more vials so you have enough for at least 6-8 weeks trial.

 

[Photon]

Only way to know for yourself is to give it a try.

I think it’s behind their membership paywall unfortunately but there are many clients in the J3U ecosystem who have made significant off season tissue gains while only adjusting their masteron up. Now these guys are all on high test dosages but their progress is well documented and the increased dosages of mast with test being constant (as well as diet changes to accommodate the higher gear load) led to gains.

Mast is a pretty strong androgen and it can be run at high dosages for long periods of time. That’s the nuance that leads super heavies towards using it. It’s a “relatively” benign drug to add to test to get your total mg amount up. Most guys can’t handle 800 mg of deca, def not 800 of Tren. Maybe 800 of primo or eq but then you have to take into account the AI impact of those and then adjust test dose. And the test dosage comes first so if EQ or primo crush your E2 and you run 1g test you’re limited to maybe 500-600 of either of those. Whereas with mast you can run 800–1000 with 1000 test and not worry about E2 crashing.

Compare that to something like halotestin which is an incredibly strong androgen, but I think we would all agree while it is great for performance / aggression / hardening of muscle it doesn’t add much in the way of tissue. But that’s largely because it can’t be run at high dosages for long periods of time like Masteron can.

One thing is for sure. Debating Masteron among PED users is like religion / politics with gen pop. Everyone has their strongly held opinions and finding objective data is challenging. So the best thing to do is make your own data.

My 2 cents is I get great performance enhancement from mast in terms of neural drive. It’s fantastic cosmetically. And for me it mitigates any sides from 19-nor’s. So it’s a favorite of mine. But everyone has their own thoughts about it. Admittedly I’ve never m run it high (over 600) along with high test just to see the results. I might give it a try. I usually run it 1:1 with test but not what I’d consider high. I like to keep test moderate and take advantage of stronger compounds like Tren and nandrolone with mast in the background controlling the sides. But I think I may try something like 700 test / 700 mast for a few months just to see.

I rarely touch DHT based compounds (aside from orals) primarily due to concerns over (1) hair loss and (2) prostate issues. I rarely see anyone talk about its impact on prostate (maybe there isn't any) at all.

Has anyone seen a change in PSA and/or prostate size, while blasting high doses of Mast?

It's commonly mentioned that whilst on Mast, people pee alot. This is also the same symptom that you get, with BPH.

 

[RockyP]

I rarely touch DHT based compounds (aside from orals) primarily due to concerns over (1) hair loss and (2) prostate issues. I rarely see anyone talk about its impact on prostate (maybe there isn't any) at all.

Has anyone seen a change in PSA and/or prostate size, while blasting high doses of Mast?

It's commonly mentioned that whilst on Mast, people pee alot. This is also the same symptom that you get, with BPH.

I have heard this also. I happened to have a psa ordered recently during my annual physical when on ~ 550 mast and it was normal. But I’ve heard of BPH type symptoms from mast for sure.

 

[gf83]

im on 300 mg of test e and 350 mg of mast prop a week pinning daily and my last blood work on these compunds) y ggt rose from 74 to 105, is that normal while using mast? i pin everyday 50 mg of mast prop and every three days at 125mg of test e. Then only change was adding in the mast. is this too much liver stress? ast alt only mildly elevated
Thanks for your help

 

[hellerhiwater]

Only way to know for yourself is to give it a try.

I think it’s behind their membership paywall unfortunately but there are many clients in the J3U ecosystem who have made significant off season tissue gains while only adjusting their masteron up. Now these guys are all on high test dosages but their progress is well documented and the increased dosages of mast with test being constant (as well as diet changes to accommodate the higher gear load) led to gains.

Mast is a pretty strong androgen and it can be run at high dosages for long periods of time. That’s the nuance that leads super heavies towards using it. It’s a “relatively” benign drug to add to test to get your total mg amount up. Most guys can’t handle 800 mg of deca, def not 800 of Tren. Maybe 800 of primo or eq but then you have to take into account the AI impact of those and then adjust test dose. And the test dosage comes first so if EQ or primo crush your E2 and you run 1g test you’re limited to maybe 500-600 of either of those. Whereas with mast you can run 800–1000 with 1000 test and not worry about E2 crashing.

Compare that to something like halotestin which is an incredibly strong androgen, but I think we would all agree while it is great for performance / aggression / hardening of muscle it doesn’t add much in the way of tissue. But that’s largely because it can’t be run at high dosages for long periods of time like Masteron can.

One thing is for sure. Debating Masteron among PED users is like religion / politics with gen pop. Everyone has their strongly held opinions and finding objective data is challenging. So the best thing to do is make your own data.

My 2 cents is I get great performance enhancement from mast in terms of neural drive. It’s fantastic cosmetically. And for me it mitigates any sides from 19-nor’s. So it’s a favorite of mine. But everyone has their own thoughts about it. Admittedly I’ve never m run it high (over 600) along with high test just to see the results. I might give it a try. I usually run it 1:1 with test but not what I’d consider high. I like to keep test moderate and take advantage of stronger compounds like Tren and nandrolone with mast in the background controlling the sides. But I think I may try something like 700 test / 700 mast for a few months just to see.

dude thank you so much for writing all that out. very insightful, i fr appreciate it.

i likely will give it a try in the future once im less fat. you're right tho, i mean in the ocean of anecdotes theres only one way for me to find out what it does for me.

do you have any opinion one way or another on P vs E? i dont mind daily pins at all and if the dose is the same, in your opinion, does it really matter? (tbh even if i were to obtain mast E id still likely pin it daily with my other stuff)

also you're def right about the religion/politics thing lol, seen quite a few heated discussions surrounding this one. 10/10 comparison

 

[BabaJagga]

I rarely touch DHT based compounds (aside from orals) primarily due to concerns over (1) hair loss and (2) prostate issues. I rarely see anyone talk about its impact on prostate (maybe there isn't any) at all.

Has anyone seen a change in PSA and/or prostate size, while blasting high doses of Mast?

It's commonly mentioned that whilst on Mast, people pee alot. This is also the same symptom that you get, with BPH.

last year when i ran it anywhere from 300 to almost 600mg, i felt my prostate for the first time. when i sneezed, it hurt like hell. like someone kicked me in balls or something simillar. i peed A LOT and was super dry.
same thing happened with proviron but less often.

serum psa was 0,4 ng/ml and im 28.

 

[RockyP]

P vs E is totally up to you. For a first time run probably best to go with P just in case you experience something like hair loss you’d want it to clear out asap. I pin prop eod with no issues.

dude thank you so much for writing all that out. very insightful, i fr appreciate it.

i likely will give it a try in the future once im less fat. you're right tho, i mean in the ocean of anecdotes theres only one way for me to find out what it does for me.

do you have any opinion one way or another on P vs E? i dont mind daily pins at all and if the dose is the same, in your opinion, does it really matter? (tbh even if i were to obtain mast E id still likely pin it daily with my other stuff)

also you're def right about the religion/politics thing lol, seen quite a few heated discussions surrounding this one. 10/10 comparison