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[Wasted]

hello, I’ve been lurking for a few months trying to learn what I can and not get confused with contradicting information at the same time.

Fell into the rabbit hole when I was looking for cheap sources of GLP-1’s and that led me to… well, everything else. I quickly became very obsessed with the idea of bettering myself physically, emotionally, and mentally.

I am a 35yo dude whose first blood test showed roughly 470 total test. I go to the gym 3-4x weekly and was getting to a discouraging point where it felt like each session required a few days of hard recovery which was eating into my progress. My dad, practically twice my age tested at nearly 800 naturally which really pissed me off.

From there, I self-prescribed TRT because I hate the U.S. healthcare system and didn’t want to blindly follow a generalist doctor. I started at 105mg weekly and titrated up to 175mg weekly.

I did a dexa and came out to 25% BF which was alarming since I had thought I was much closer to 15% visually speaking.

My current stack:
- 50mg TC EOD
- 1mg Tesamorelin 5x/wk
- 200mcg Ipamorelin 5x/wk
- 10mg Tirzepatide weekly
- 10mg Retatrutide weekly
- 300mcg KPV daily
- 250mcg/ea TB/BPC-157 daily
- 500IU hCG weekly (Tue/Fri)
- 20mg accutane daily
- 5mg Cialis daily
- 40mg telmisartan daily
- 10mg Cardarine daily

My goal is to actually reach 15% body fat and then do my first blast. I did a mini anavar cycle of 50mg daily for 3.5 weeks and it tanked my SHBG and lipids and I ended up getting murdered with cystic acne which is what got me in the accutane.

One additional note on the GLP’s, and I’ve not met anyone else who is as resistant to them as me, but I feel absolutely nothing on them. If there is any appetite suppression, it is so subtle that it goes unnoticed. I doubled up on Retatrutide and Tirzepatide bexause I feel like Retatrutide is working in the backend as my resting heart rate has steadily increased since I began taking it so that’s the only other clue i could find that it’s doing something. Other people taking my same batch have had excellent results.

My cholesterol has always been naturally bad so I am trying to be careful as to what I run on my blast. Considering micro dosing NPP and Primo during this cut to help progress things.

 

[PiscesMoon]

Hi @Wasted Welcome to Meso!

Thanks for the quality introduction post. Right on for taking steps to improve your health.

What is your diet like? How long have you been taking Reta and Tirz?

Also, how has the Cardarine been treating you? Curious what you are using it for in the mix shared here.

 

[Ghoul]

So your cholesterol is bad, and while you’re willing to use those absurd TikTok GHRH and GLP protocols, you’re not addressing the one thing that would actually improve your health the most?

Let’s start with this. What’s your LDL and BP? If you know your Lp(a) that would be great too.

 

[Jojoejoe]

Dude, that's quite the concoction you've got brewing! I'm also tinkering with GLP-1s, but haven't gone quite as deep down the rabbit hole as you. 25% BF after thinking you were closer to 15%? Ouch, been there! And yeah, the U.S. healthcare system is a joke.

As for the cholesterol, Ghoul's got a point. Gotta get those numbers dialed in before you even THINK about blasting. What's your diet looking like, and how long have you been on the Reta and Tirz?

 

[Ghoul]

Dude, that's quite the concoction you've got brewing! I'm also tinkering with GLP-1s, but haven't gone quite as deep down the rabbit hole as you. 25% BF after thinking you were closer to 15%? Ouch, been there! And yeah, the U.S. healthcare system is a joke.

As for the cholesterol, Ghoul's got a point. Gotta get those numbers dialed in before you even THINK about blasting. What's your diet looking like, and how long have you been on the Reta and Tirz?

The Tesa/ipa thing was a clue, but throw in the 5x a week dosing, something lifted from the old days of $2500/month rHGH that was used to save money (there’s no good reason to do that, and plenty of reasons not to) and it became obvious that’s a Franken protocol picked up from social media / Reddit.

To be fair, he’s got some things right, and his intention is headed in the correct direction.

We’ll get him straightened out in short order, I just wanted to start with the basics first.

 

[Elektrobot]

The Tesa/ipa thing was a clue, but throw in the 5x a week dosing, something lifted from the old days of $2500/month rHGH that was used to save money (there’s no good reason to do that, and plenty of reasons not to) and it became obvious that’s a Franken protocol picked up from social media / Reddit.

To be fair, he’s got some things right, and his intention is headed in the correct direction.

We’ll get him straightened out in short order, I just wanted to start with the basics first.

I think joejoe is another bot

 

[Wasted]

Hi @Wasted Welcome to Meso!

Thanks for the quality introduction post. Right on for taking steps to improve your health.

What is your diet like? How long have you been taking Reta and Tirz?

Also, how has the Cardarine been treating you? Curious what you are using it for in the mix shared here.

Thank you for taking the time to read through my post and replying as well!

My diet hasn't been terrible but certainly not optimal. I had just gotten married in Brazil a couple of weeks ago and spent 3 weeks in Brazil making terrible health decisions (think lots of beer, which I hardly ever drink but I let loose in celebration of the event, and eating things that I enjoy too much that I can't get in the US: mozzarella french fries, real brazilian açai - not the fake stuff here in the US).
That said, upon my return I'm trying to put a lot more emphassis on protein consumption in aiming for ~180g per day which has been particularly hard for me in the past due to lack of meal prep and I generally skip one meal per day (I've always had trouble with breakfast). Lately, I've been trying to make a point to consume something during breakfast hours and cut off eating anything after dark if I can help it. I try to only eat out on weekends and cook at home during the week. I gained about 6-7lbs between Brazil and Thanksgiving.

My Reta/Tirz journey began back in May when I started with Semaglutide (I actually bought it from Hims for a stupid price and eventually came into the gray market). I titrated up to the max dose of Semaglutide within 5 weeks after it felt like a placebo. My buddies were prescribed Tirzepatide through their work plans with awesome results and I eventually found gray market Tirzepatide and Retatrutide -- the Retatrutide worked really well for about 3 weeks or so and I just all of a sudden stopped feeling it. About 8 weeks in, I'd realized that I went an entire month without losing anything while a bunch my friends were taking Tirzepatide (that I bought) and getting crazy results. So I switched to Tirzepatide and, again, titrated up to 10-15mg and lost a good amount of weight that month. The following month, again, nothing. Finally, the month before my wedding I started doubling up 10mg tirzepatide Friday AM followed by 10mg Retatrutide Tuesday PM and that finally got me below 200 lbs.

I did a DEXA and my BF showed 25% with the majority of my body fat being held in androidal region and that's when I started on the Tesamorelin journey.

As for the Cardarine, I am taking that as a way to address my cholesterol issues. The Anavar, although for only 3.5 weeks, absolutely tanked my lipids. I've read that it is able to raise HDL and lower LDL over the course of a month or two so I'll tell you how it's working when I get my next round of bloodwork done. I really do need to start up cardio since my focus is more around getting down to 15% body fat right now over anything else so I can start the fun part of my journey.

 

[Wasted]

So your cholesterol is bad, and while you’re willing to use those absurd TikTok GHRH and GLP protocols, you’re not addressing the one thing that would actually improve your health the most?

Let’s start with this. What’s your LDL and BP? If you know your Lp(a) that would be great too.

Thank you for your attention and taking the time to read and reply to me.

In my defense, I don't have TikTok, but to fuel your argument - I do get a lot of my intel from the next worse source: a combination of ChatGPT/Gemini/Grok
I had read that Tesa is ideal for targeting visceral fat and my last DEXA showed that I hold the majority of my body fat in the androidal region. I believe I picked up the Ipamorelin idea from people posting their Tesa/Ipa or CJC/Ipa combos on Reddit (likely an extension source to TikTok lol)

Here are the items you requested:
09/25 LDL: 117
11/25 LDL: 212 (definitely the VAR)

I don't have Lp(a) but I'll request that on my next round of bloodwork (trying to figure out when I should schedule that)

 

[Elektrobot]

Thank you for your attention and taking the time to read and reply to me.

In my defense, I don't have TikTok, but to fuel your argument - I do get a lot of my intel from the next worse source: a combination of ChatGPT/Gemini/Grok
I had read that Tesa is ideal for targeting visceral fat and my last DEXA showed that I hold the majority of my body fat in the androidal region. I believe I picked up the Ipamorelin idea from people posting their Tesa/Ipa or CJC/Ipa combos on Reddit (likely an extension source to TikTok lol)

Here are the items you requested:
09/25 LDL: 117
11/25 LDL: 212 (definitely the VAR)

I don't have Lp(a) but I'll request that on my next round of bloodwork (trying to figure out when I should schedule that)

How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

What is your blood pressure?

 

[Wasted]

Dude, that's quite the concoction you've got brewing! I'm also tinkering with GLP-1s, but haven't gone quite as deep down the rabbit hole as you. 25% BF after thinking you were closer to 15%? Ouch, been there! And yeah, the U.S. healthcare system is a joke.

As for the cholesterol, Ghoul's got a point. Gotta get those numbers dialed in before you even THINK about blasting. What's your diet looking like, and how long have you been on the Reta and Tirz?

You know, after I started going through the list of... everything I'm throwing at myself I did take a step back and do think that I am doing way too much and half of it is probably not necessary at all. I get carried away easily, it's definitely a personal character flaw of mine.

Diet is something I can always improve, I think what's lacking the most is probably vegetables. I cook at home on weekdays and if we do go out, it's on weekends. I never drink, only on super special occasions. After my wedding, I don't think I'm going to be drinking alcohol until next summer at this point lol. My goal is to hit 180g of protein per day but this has been the biggest struggle. I've bought cases of protein shakes for me to drink to fill in my protein void during the day. I am trying to skill up my meal prep abilities. I'm getting there but I need to have a bit more variety and killer recipes that i can eat without feeling like I'm absolutely torturing myself to get it down the hatch (why I love the pre-made protein shakes).

I posted a screenshot from the Shotsy app where I track my GLP doses.
Here's my timeline of events:
June 4 > July 4: Semaglutide (in red)
July 13 > July 29: Tirzepatide / Zepbound (in purple)
July 29 > Sept 13: Retatrutide (in pink; that massive drop after the steep rise was an unplanned fast that I ran for 2 consecutive days)
~Oct 4: Tirzepatide / Retatrutide combo, doses split 3.5 days apart
- Nov 2 > Dec 1: Took a break from my entire stack and only pinned TRT (bumped up from 140mg weekly to 175mg weekly and suffered severe acne consequences on my wedding day from crashed SHBG as a consequence of my brief time on anavar).

Appetite suppression isn't there, gastric emptying doesn't feel present either. Observation: on Semaglutide I had to be very careful with what I ate, anything that was hard to digest or very spicy would give me these hard stomach cramps. However, on Tirzepatide and Retatrutide, I could eat things that would be impossible for me on Sema without consequence.

 

[Wasted]

How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

What is your blood pressure?

Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Weight: 205lbs / 93kg

My blood pressure I began taking very recently, I'm actually surprised and happy to say that it hasn't been terrible at all. Here are the readings from the past few days (taken AM, I haven't measured PM but maybe i should):

122/74
127/71
124/73

Admittedly, I should have been measuring this much sooner. I didn't have a BP reader at home but I have also been taking Telmisartan do get ahead of this as high blood pressure does run in my family. But nobody in my family really eats all that clean... nor do they exercise. So I've got 1.5 things on them lol

According to my DEXA calculations, 184lbs / 83.5kg lands me around 15% BF

 

[Wasted]

The Tesa/ipa thing was a clue, but throw in the 5x a week dosing, something lifted from the old days of $2500/month rHGH that was used to save money (there’s no good reason to do that, and plenty of reasons not to) and it became obvious that’s a Franken protocol picked up from social media / Reddit.

To be fair, he’s got some things right, and his intention is headed in the correct direction.

We’ll get him straightened out in short order, I just wanted to start with the basics first.

Thank you for your response and reading through my post!

I've really been bouncing around the idea of Tesa/Ipa vs only Tesa vs HGH. I think my biggest goal in participating in this forum is to control my overexcitement in wanting to try new things and educate myself more

 

[Ghoul]

Thank you for your response and reading through my post!

I've really been bouncing around the idea of Tesa/Ipa vs only Tesa vs HGH. I think my biggest goal in participating in this forum is to control my overexcitement in wanting to try new things and educate myself more

You’re coming at this with the right energy. The only love you’ll get here is tough love lol.

On a positive note, you’re way more on the right track than off it, and clearly put more effort into this than most. Given the number of simultaneous moving parts, it’s hard to juggle everything when starting out. So many options and the promise of “magic” make excitement and chaos difficult to avoid.

That’s why we’ll take a step by step approach to cleaning up your protocol, in small, digestible parts.