Left Wing Response to the BP Spill

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America currently has a democrat in the Oval Office and a democrat majority in Congress. Take a look at this timeline of events and submit your excuses. Head Doc, Jeton, Scally, this for you.



Avertible Catastrophe
Lawrence Solomon, executive director of Energy Probe and author of The Deniers.


Some are attuned to the possibility of looming catastrophe and know how to head it off. Others are unprepared for risk and even unable to get their priorities straight when risk turns to reality.
The Dutch fall into the first group. Three days after the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico began on April 20, the Netherlands offered the U.S. government ships equipped to handle a major spill, one much larger than the BP spill that then appeared to be underway. "Our system can handle 400 cubic metres per hour," Weird Koops, the chairman of Spill Response Group Holland, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide, giving each Dutch ship more cleanup capacity than all the ships that the U.S. was then employing in the Gulf to combat the spill.
To protect against the possibility that its equipment wouldn't capture all the oil gushing from the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch also offered to prepare for the U.S. a contingency plan to protect Louisiana's marshlands with sand barriers. One Dutch research institute specializing in deltas, coastal areas and rivers, in fact, developed a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks.
The Dutch know how to handle maritime emergencies. In the event of an oil spill, The Netherlands government, which owns its own ships and high-tech skimmers, gives an oil company 12 hours to demonstrate it has the spill in hand. If the company shows signs of unpreparedness, the government dispatches its own ships at the oil company's expense. "If there's a country that's experienced with building dikes and managing water, it's the Netherlands," says Geert Visser, the Dutch consul general in Houston.
In sharp contrast to Dutch preparedness before the fact and the Dutch instinct to dive into action once an emergency becomes apparent, witness the American reaction to the Dutch offer of help. The U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," remarked Visser, despite BP's desire to bring in the Dutch equipment and despite the no-lose nature of the Dutch offer --the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round. By May 5, the U.S. had not come round. To the contrary, the U.S. had also turned down offers of help from 12 other governments, most of them with superior expertise and equipment --unlike the U.S., Europe has robust fleets of Oil Spill Response Vessels that sail circles around their make-shift U.S. counterparts.
Why does neither the U.S. government nor U.S. energy companies have on hand the cleanup technology available in Europe? Ironically, the superior European technology runs afoul of U.S. environmental rules. The voracious Dutch vessels, for example, continuously suck up vast quantities of oily water, extract most of the oil and then spit overboard vast quantities of nearly oil-free water. Nearly oil-free isn't good enough for the U.S. regulators, who have a standard of 15 parts per million -- if water isn't at least 99.9985% pure, it may not be returned to the Gulf of Mexico.
When ships in U.S. waters take in oil-contaminated water, they are forced to store it. As U.S. Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, the official in charge of the clean-up operation, explained in a press briefing on June 11, "We have skimmed, to date, about 18 million gallons of oily water--the oil has to be decanted from that [and] our yield is usually somewhere around 10% or 15% on that." In other words, U.S. ships have mostly been removing water from the Gulf, requiring them to make up to 10 times as many trips to storage facilities where they off-load their oil-water mixture, an approach Koops calls "crazy."
The Americans, overwhelmed by the catastrophic consequences of the BP spill, finally relented and took the Dutch up on their offer -- but only partly. Because the U.S. didn't want Dutch ships working the Gulf, the U.S. airlifted the Dutch equipment to the Gulf and then retrofitted it to U.S. vessels. And rather than have experienced Dutch crews immediately operate the oil-skimming equipment, to appease labour unions the U.S. postponed the clean-up operation to allow U.S. crews to be trained.
A catastrophe that could have been averted is now playing out. With oil increasingly reaching the Gulf coast, the emergency construction of sand berns to minimize the damage is imperative. Again, the U.S. government priority is on U.S. jobs, with the Dutch asked to train American workers rather than to build the berns. According to Floris Van Hovell, a spokesman for the Dutch embassy in Washington, Dutch dredging ships could complete the berms in Louisiana twice as fast as the U.S. companies awarded the work. "Given the fact that there is so much oil on a daily basis coming in, you do not have that much time to protect the marshlands," he says, perplexed that the U.S. government could be so focussed on side issues with the entire Gulf Coast hanging in the balance.
Then again, perhaps he should not be all that perplexed at the American tolerance for turning an accident into a catastrophe. When the Exxon Valdez oil tanker accident occurred off the coast of Alaska in 1989, a Dutch team with clean-up equipment flew in to Anchorage airport to offer their help. To their amazement, they were rebuffed and told to go home with their equipment. The Exxon Valdez became the biggest oil spill disaster in U.S. history--until the BP Gulf spill.
 
Jeton, I will grant you an exemption from response. I'm sure you don't use any petroleum products as it would conflict with your moral convictions. You probably fly everywhere on a magic carpet coated in pixie dust leaving only floral scents as emissions.

Head Doc I guess you are exempt as well. You probably commute to work by mentally transcending space and time.

So Dr. Sc ally, I guess you are the the one I'm really wondering about. Your medical knowledge and advice is invaluable, but your political stance scares me a bit.
 
Mayo, are you really advocating for more government intervention? Now if you post this to expose some lunacy about turning down help when it is readily and freely available, I do side with you. If we had modeled ourselves on what the Dutch and Swedish do to protect lands at risk of sea damage, Katrina would not have been the tragedy that it was.
 
Mayo, are you really advocating for more government intervention? Now if you post this to expose some lunacy about turning down help when it is readily and freely available, I do side with you. If we had modeled ourselves on what the Dutch and Swedish do to protect lands at risk of sea damage, Katrina would not have been the tragedy that it was.

Governement intervention, no; accepting superior help when one is at a disadvantage, yes. I do not buy the excuse of refusing foreign aid to create and preserve American jobs. Give me time to produce the article, but at one point Obama and his administration were attempting to allow gulf coast drilling by several African companies with technology far substandard to current drilling practice. I believe in a sick way, that Obama and his suboordiantes drug their feet during this tragedy to allow a larger disaster and further demonize the oil industry. Call me a lunatic, it seems blatantly clear to me.
-Headed to train now, I'll be back in a few. Look forward to a good discussion.
 
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however, before the spill, Obama was singing the drill baby drill tune. I don't believe any president of any persuasion will tell the American people that they can not drive their cars. The failure to shift our energy resources away from oil based products does not know party boundaries.
 
however, before the spill, Obama was singing the drill baby drill tune. I don't believe any president of any persuasion will tell the American people that they can not drive their cars. The failure to shift our energy resources away from oil based products does not know party boundaries.

Oil = Control. Simple equation. There is enough oil and LNG in the US to sustain America. The public has been fed so many lies and half truths regarding environmental preservation that now the majority of people are blindly opposed to domestic drilling. So due to public outcry we must continue catering to foreign oil sources to ensure our way of life. Ridiculous. Send America's sons and daughters to die in conflicts centered around oil policy or potentially risk a spotted owls' roosting habitat with a domestic well? Ah fuck it, America can always make more sons and daughters... owls, now those are priceless.
 
I agreed on the foreign oil Perhaps I should make myself clearer. As a nation, we have many problems. One of them is oil. We use it for energy, making plastics, and other things. It is not sustainable as a resource. We need to move on to sustainable solutions. We also need to clean the place up from all of the wasted oil and plastic by products.

But if tapping our own resources allows up to reduce dependence on foreign oil as an interim solution---I'm good w. that. If this drill though further postpones the inevitable move away from sustainable sources of energy, we are only kidding ourselves.
 
I agreed on the foreign oil Perhaps I should make myself clearer. As a nation, we have many problems. One of them is oil. We use it for energy, making plastics, and other things. It is not sustainable as a resource. We need to move on to sustainable solutions. We also need to clean the place up from all of the wasted oil and plastic by products.

But if tapping our own resources allows up to reduce dependence on foreign oil as an interim solution---I'm good w. that. If this drill though further postpones the inevitable move away from sustainable sources of energy, we are only kidding ourselves.

Oil is a ticking clock on a bomb. However, the hands are moving much slower than the clock on foreign dependence. Self-sufficiency first, alternate energy second. That's how I place the priorities.
 
Oil is a ticking clock on a bomb. However, the hands are moving much slower than the clock on foreign dependence. Self-sufficiency first, alternate energy second. That's how I place the priorities.

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Love it

Why can't this kind of logic ever be heard from a politician? We should have been drilling in Alaska after Desert Storm, maybe then all the Haji's wouldn't have had the money to fund their Jihad.
 
I am just wondering why all the good folks from Louisiana haven't said Obama is a racist? They didn't mind playing that card with G.W when Katrina hit... The impact from the oil spill will be much more detrimental to there way of life than a hurricane... I guess the difference is that they had PRIOR warning and could have evacuated before a hurricane... and now they cant do anything to stop the oil????

I guess it is just a double standard...

I do know this... had G.W. been the president it would have been fixed by now and they STILL would have made it his fault somehow....:eek:
 
All I can say, is the disaster in the Gulf has been going on way to long, and the process, actions, and mechanisms are all Bull.

Iron, I do agree, I think W would have had this taken care of when it happened, brought in help from anyone that offered, and avoided a disaster. But I'm sure, they would have said its his fault, they would have nailed him for bringing in help from over seas, But he would have gotten the job done. When you have a disaster, there is no time to train people, or drag your feet, you get it done, and you go home.
 
I grew up in Gulf Shores, Al. My family has a beach house near Ft. Morgan. I was at the concert there this weekend. First time I've been home in five years. This is real fucking personal for me. I feel like someone took a shit in my backyard, and I can't do anything about it. Our whole way of life down there centers around more than the beach and tourists. Its the seafood and fishing, too. Listen to the Buffett song "Creola" if you can.
I think that there have been colossal screw ups by the govt (both parties, before and after Obama) and BP. I get so pissed about this, that I really can't talk about it without wanting to crack some heads. The whole issue with the Dutch oil recovery system, BP having the typical British "Titanic" mentality (nothing catastrophic could happen, we're perfect, this ship's unsinkable, fuck the extra life boats, that'll just scare passengers). The state of Alabama's retarded Gov. Riley (R) has been holding the BP and Federal funds, not releasing them to the affected areas because "no one let his office know they needed help"! This is a fuck-up that transcends political lines. If this was off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, it be fixed already! The one's getting screwed here are the guys that work for a living.
A bodybuilding forum that sparks intellectual debate, go figure! :)
 
My future wife almost cries when she see's what's going on down there...She's an animal lover and upset by what's happening to that beautiful region.

In any event, we try not to bring it up because its still going on, nothing is being done, and it just REALLY PISSES the SHIT OUT OF ME. I'm ending my convo here because I'll start throwing shit and acting all crazy. Peace, i'm out of this thread.


I grew up in Gulf Shores, Al. My family has a beach house near Ft. Morgan. I was at the concert there this weekend. First time I've been home in five years. This is real fucking personal for me. I feel like someone took a shit in my backyard, and I can't do anything about it. Our whole way of life down there centers around more than the beach and tourists. Its the seafood and fishing, too. Listen to the Buffett song "Creola" if you can.
I think that there have been colossal screw ups by the govt (both parties, before and after Obama) and BP. I get so pissed about this, that I really can't talk about it without wanting to crack some heads. The whole issue with the Dutch oil recovery system, BP having the typical British "Titanic" mentality (nothing catastrophic could happen, we're perfect, this ship's unsinkable, fuck the extra life boats, that'll just scare passengers). The state of Alabama's retarded Gov. Riley (R) has been holding the BP and Federal funds, not releasing them to the affected areas because "no one let his office know they needed help"! This is a fuck-up that transcends political lines. If this was off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, it be fixed already! The one's getting screwed here are the guys that work for a living.
A bodybuilding forum that sparks intellectual debate, go figure! :)
 
Stretch, c'mon man, "logic" and "politician" in the same sentence? Kind of like oil and water...wait a minute...:eek:
I don't think this disaster was planned, but like the economy, Obama will capitalize on it and use it to push his green agenda.
We can't drill in more places in Alaska because we might endanger the spotted albino arctic tundra mouse or some shit, but fuck a bunch of fishermen and shrimpers!
We should make the Iraqis pay war reparations by giving us an equal amount of oil for every freakin' dollar we've spent there. There should be an international Jihad tax levied against every freaking country that supports terrorism! And while we're at it...
Let's go ahead and turn North Korea into a parking lot for the bombers and material it's gonna take to bitch slap China too! Oh yeah, that one's comming, you know it is.
Until our political process is changed to prevent money from Wal-Mart and oil companies from reaching the politicians, this shit will continue to happen. And you might as well get an account with RosettaStone so your kids can learn to speak Spanish and Chinese!
Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike."
 

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