Labmax/Beeker comparison

[flenser]

A member going by Beeker Company sent me samples of what he says is a Labmax alternative. I promised to do a comparison of the two.

His test consists of a single vial that corresponds roughly to the Labmax B-vial. There is no A-vial at all. The vials are not break-off like Labmax, but capped. Of the 5 vials he sent one of them leaked. I will assume this is something that will be fixed in production. It's some nasty sticky stuff to get on your hands : )

OK, I tested Superior Tren E and Voodoo Test E (the one I've been pinning). I am also using a new UV light, the TK-566 which is MUCH better than the Ultrafire 501b. I had problems with too much visible light reflecting when looking at Canadian currency, but it works nicely on the test vials.

Here is tren e. Note that I forgot to take a visible light pic until the end, so they are darker than they would normally be.

Beeker and Labmax Tren E

Beeker Tren E

Labmax Tren E

A very close match IMO, and definitely a pass. I'll post the test e next.

 

[flenser]

Now for test e from Voodoo. These match as well, and also pass. This test e is the one that was indeterminate on the first Labmax test. I can only attribute that to the Ultrafire UV light I was using.

Beeker Test E

Labmax Test E

Beeker Test E UV

Labmax Test E UV

 

[dmt31]

interesting, thank you brother.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

So what is Beeker offering that labmax isn't then? Is it cheaper? Does it come from within the U.S.? Quicker T/A? There needs to be a big difference somewhere to get people to switch from a known company..

^^^ Directed at Beeker not Flenser by the way..

 

[JackC4]

Is that the tren you got with the test E a few months back from superior ?

 

[Colt44]

Wait for a certain member to immediately discredit this testing.

 

[flenser]

Is that the tren you got with the test E a few months back from superior ?

It's what they gave me to replace the ones that were bunk.

 

[JackC4]

It's what they gave me to replace the ones that were bunk.

Hmmm gotcha I'm still sitting on few

 

[BeekerCompany]

So what is Beeker offering that labmax isn't then? Is it cheaper? Does it come from within the U.S.? Quicker T/A? There needs to be a big difference somewhere to get people to switch from a known company..

^^^ Directed at Beeker not Flenser by the way..

All of the above, though prices are not yet set in stone. Expect free domestic shipping via First Class or Priority, depending on order size. 24hr T/A, and a much lower price point to reflect that our presumtive tests are only 2-part (part-B visible and UV) vs. the 3-part (part A visible, part B visible and UV) Labmax tests.

The Labmax tests are still excellent and even necessary in certain circumstances, but not always.

An example would be a TRT patient that has decided to switch pharmacies and simply wants to make sure that his new prescription behaves similarly to his old one under reagent testing. He's likely to be most interested in the "B" vial responses only.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

All of the above, though prices are not yet set in stone. Expect free domestic shipping via First Class or Priority, depending on order size. 24hr T/A, and a much lower price point to reflect that our presumtive tests are only 2-part (part-B visible and UV) vs. the 3-part (part A visible, part B visible and UV) Labmax tests.

The Labmax tests are still excellent and even necessary in certain circumstances, but not always.

An example would be a TRT patient that has decided to switch pharmacies and simply wants to make sure that his new prescription behaves similarly to his old one under reagent testing. He's likely to be most interested in the "B" vial responses only.

I can't see why a trt patient in the USA going to a pharmacy would need to waste $ on a reagent test. Sorry but no US pharmacy is selling bunk test. That seems like a waste of time and $ to check on your US pharmacy. Is there a website for your products beeker?

 

[weighted chinup]

@BeekerCompany

Can you provide some disclosure into the methods you used to develop this test? Anything explaining the methods you used to develop it, or at the very least some scientific information or research you've done showing how your test in particular can differentiate between different steroid skeletons?

LM hasn't provided this kind of disclosure, but doing so will certainly put you at an advantage in terms of building consumers trust.

 

[BeekerCompany]

This is an excellent point. Perhaps the TRT patient is a poor example.

There are a number of medications legal to import with a prescription (tamoxifen, for example) that can be prohibitively expensive without excellent insurance coverage to buy in the US. As we know, foreign pharmacies don't always have the best interests of the end consumers in mind, so a reagent test might provide some useful information.

Although reagent tests can not positively identify substances and shouldn't be used to do so, they can help rule out possibilities with some useful degree of reliability. If the tamoxifen in our example fails to react as expected, we still don't know what it is for certain, but we know it's not what we thought and that can be critical information in and of itself.

The website is listed below, very much a work in progress but functional nonetheless. Read the blog posts for more information.

http://beeker.co

 

[flenser]

I can't see why a trt patient in the USA going to a pharmacy would need to waste $ on a reagent test. Sorry but no US pharmacy is selling bunk test. That seems like a waste of time and $ to check on your US pharmacy. Is there a website for your products beeker?

You have to be kidding. Pharmacies selling counterfeit drugs is a huge problem in the US. I don't know about testosterone specifically, but swapping out pain killers and PDE5 inhibitors is extremely common.

I think I would expect testosterone to be under dosed by a "reconstitution" pharmacy instead of completely bunk which would argue against a b-vial test being useful. But then there are all those fake Watson vials going around UGLs. Those have to be making it to pharmacies as well.

 

[BeekerCompany]

@BeekerCompany

Can you provide some disclosure into the methods you used to develop this test? Anything explaining the methods you used to develop it, or at the very least some scientific information or research you've done showing how your test in particular can differentiate between different steroid skeletons?

LM hasn't provided this kind of disclosure, but doing so will certainly put you at an advantage in terms of building consumers trust.

I agree, and I'm working on just that. The good news is that this type of reagent testing has been around for many decades and is well researched. The bad news is that much of the data is difficult to translate into usable information for the layman that doesn't have access to spectrometers and such.

Also, as we know, variables like carriers can impact results, so the primary source of information currently available regarding expected reaction data is a compilation of user input along with the previously available charts available online.

All in all, it will still be a rough approximation at best, and I want to be realistic about that. But I think with a little more research, we can reach some reasonably reliable conclusions.

Thanks for the thoughtful question, WC. I wish I had a better answer than this.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

You have to be kidding. Pharmacies selling counterfeit drugs is a huge problem in the US. I don't know about testosterone specifically, but swapping out pain killers and PDE5 inhibitors is extremely common.

I think I would expect testosterone to be under dosed by a "reconstitution" pharmacy instead of completely bunk which would argue against a b-vial test being useful. But then there are all those fake Watson vials going around UGLs. Those have to be making it to pharmacies as well.

I wouldn't go to a compounding pharmacy for anything especially testosterone I don't know why anyone in the USA would go to anything other than a legitimate pharmacy. I'm in Florida and was in the thick of it during the pills mills so I know all about how compounding pharmacy meds can be unreliable. So with access to walgreens , cvs and any other reputable large pharmacies why would anyone take a chance with a place like that? I've never heard of cvs selling bad meds.

 

[ebola]

You have to be kidding. Pharmacies selling counterfeit drugs is a huge problem in the US. I don't know about testosterone specifically, but swapping out pain killers and PDE5 inhibitors is extremely common.

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They do fuck up sometimes but there is FDA and you just need to report the problem if they do it to cut corners the penalties are huge.

I have seen many time medication messed up but never that they knowingly sell bunk product.

 

[flenser]

I've never heard of cvs selling bad meds.

Probably not CVS, not since 2005 anyway. They had such a problem with fakes they stopped purchasing meds from most distributors, and went straight to the manufacturer.

 

[OdieM]

I like where this is going. LM takes 2 wks to get to me and thats after Ive payed 20.00 for shipping. I do feel vial A is very important though. There has been a few times where a member will say that my hormone is actually another hormone until I show vial A with B and then there is no question about it.

I'm sure that LM has the patent on this and that Beeker may have just discovered the recipe for vial B. Sounds sketchy.

 

[ebola]

I'm sure that LM has the patent on this and that Beeker may have just discovered the recipe for vial B. Sounds sketchy.

that might be the case that there might be patent infringement looks to me that he just selling some labmax knock off.

we have counterfeited steroids now we have counterfeited labmax

 

[flenser]

The prices on his site seem high to me. 20 A-B kits from LM is $190 with shipping, 20 equivalent B ONLY vials lists for $140 with shipping. I know I go through more B-vials than A, but not 70% more. The LM option is a better value IMO. Maybe a little competition will put some pressure on the LM prices as well.