Just started first cycle after doing research, thoughts?

[Juicedhead]

You know that testosterone by itself causes hairloss? You will start balding again regardless of using dutasteride or finasteride if your free testosterone is high enough.

This is not true. Fina blocks t from converting to dht. He wont lose hair on fina. And if hes on 1mg a day it crushes dht at that dose so he could run a gram of test and he dht would still be low probabaly.

 

[Juicedhead]

About the cycle its looks good! 400mg of test is a good starting point. I wouldnt start the duta you wont need it on fina, and aromasin could be used eod day 12.5 mg to start if you feel you need it obvioulsy blood testing to confirm if you need it would be prefered. Enjoy.

 

[Juicedhead]

Yeah I'm not trying to be a prick but....

Like balding and steroids are kinda guaranteed. Look at an endocrinology book. Sweat glands (sebum), genitals, prostate and hair are major targets for androgen expression.

You have a good physique already. No guarantees you will look better on gear.

Will you be happier bald and jacked or with a head full of hair and lean?

Just something to think about. I think dutasteride is more benign than Finasteride due to the size of the molecule.

But that being said you need DHT for penis functionality and neurosteroids (produced by 3aHSD).

Not true either. Ive been blasting gear for years with a full head of thick hair. Ive used fina on and off but I also take, biotin and collagen. Hair loss comes down to genetics so you might lose but if your only on test and running fina you wont lose any. Also would not recommend duta over fina duta blocks about 90% dht where fina blocks about 70% and you need some dht to keep your dick running well so just stick with fina.

 

[Elektrobot]

This is not true. Fina blocks t from converting to dht. He wont lose hair on fina. And if hes on 1mg a day it crushes dht at that dose so he could run a gram of test and he dht would still be low probabaly.

There is nothing that blocks androgens from binding with the androgen receptors in hair follicles

DHT is only part of the system

Higher androgen load = higher androgen receptor saturation.... including the ones in hair follicles. Some people's hair is more sensitive to it than others. That is just plain ole genetics.

the supposed benefit of topical RU 5882177554 whatever is that it prevents androgens from binding with the receptors in hair follicles.... but it's an experimental compound with no real trials or studies.

 

[Juicedhead]

There is nothing that blocks androgens from binding with the androgen receptors in hair follicles

DHT is only part of the system

Higher androgen load = higher androgen receptor saturation.... including the ones in hair follicles. Some people's hair is more sensitive to it than others. That is just plain ole genetics.

the supposed benefit of topical RU 5882177554 whatever is that it prevents androgens from binding with the receptors in hair follicles.... but it's an experimental compound with no real trials or studies.

Your missing what fina does. its armidex for dht. So the dht is never in the system cuz it blocks t from convering. Just like adex blocks t from converting to e2 so its never in the system.

Edit: ok i see what youre saying but T doesnt cause hairloss its dht.

 

[adrenalytic]

Like balding and steroids are kinda guaranteed. Look at an endocrinology book.

Not that I question your research abilities, banana, I know you are a wealth of knowledge but I gotta push back on this one.

I've run all kinds of androgens this past year and have yet to lose a single hair on my head. I actually have more hair than when I started. Sure it's on my back and shoulders but that's besides the point.

Funny thing is I have a younger brother (same parents) and he's been balding for years with no gear usage. It really does seem to be highly individual.

Edit: and no I have never used anything that prevent hair loss

 

[bananafeet]

Not that I question your research abilities, banana, I know you are a wealth of knowledge but I gotta push back on this one.

I've run all kinds of androgens this past year and have yet to lose a single hair on my head. I actually have more hair than when I started. Sure it's on my back and shoulders but that's besides the point.

Funny thing is I have a younger brother (same parents) and he's been balding for years with no gear usage. It really does seem to be highly individual.

Edit: and no I have never used anything that prevent hair loss

Sorry I should have said it's guaranteed if you're predisposed to it. This guy's on finasteride so I assumed he had MPB. If he did/does any androgen will accelerate it. Doesn't matter if it's a attenuated androgen or Tren or testosterone.

Androgens accelerate mpb.

My entire body is androgen resistant (especially my muscles) lol

I have a bald brother also and a hairline that doesn't budge with steroid abuse.

 

[adrenalytic]

Sorry I should have said it's guaranteed if you're predisposed to it.

Ah gotcha. On that we can agree. Definitely an important qualifier.

 

[Juicedhead]

Ah gotcha. On that we can agree. Definitely an important qualifier.

yeah like look at jay cutler. dude had thick hair while blasting gear, same with a lot of other pros dallas mccarver had thick hair and we all know he was blasting gear. Genetics is the main factor 100%. The shitty thing is you really dont know until you start gear so its just rolling the dice and if you catch it early enough fina can slow it down but if you have MPB you will still lose.

 

[kegg408]

The only reason why DHT causes MPB is because it's binds to the AR very strongly. Like 2-5x testosterone.

You increase your testosterone levels and you will start balding again. I assume you're not taking a drug "just in case".

Look at my hair it has hardly budged blasting because I'm not susceptible. Other people go bald in the 20s.

If you want to avoid it as much as possible keep the total androgen load low and maintain a good level of E2 (to keep SHBG relatively healthy).

You need to lift heavy ass weights to gain muscle that lasts off cycle anyway.

I can't say whether X mg will make you bald or not. We are all different...

"Everybody wants to be a body builder but ain't nobody want to life heavy ass weights"

- yeah buddy

 

[kegg408]

The sleep i get at 2iu/3iu nightly is absolutely amazing.

Just throwing that out there. I realized the reasons why people take it fasted in the am.

I may try it but I dont want to feel lethargic during the day. And ive never slept this well in my life. Ive it it ruins sleep for some as well.

 

[BigDadd7]

Sorry I should have said it's guaranteed if you're predisposed to it. This guy's on finasteride so I assumed he had MPB. If he did/does any androgen will accelerate it. Doesn't matter if it's a attenuated androgen or Tren or testosterone.

Androgens accelerate mpb.

My entire body is androgen resistant (especially my muscles) lol

I have a bald brother also and a hairline that doesn't budge with steroid abuse.

Your brother hates you. Lol

 

[bananafeet]

Your brother hates you. Lol

Man I've been struggling with this for years. He was always more hairy and masculine looking than me.

I was like the dorky, lanky kid who couldn't grow a beard. Taking testosterone gave me a bit of body hair. But I still look kind of soft. It's hard to explain.

Makes me wonder is the AR expression like the entire body? You know like better beard = more prone to balding.

I did my prostate numbers during a cycle and they were super low...

I wonder if anyone has any anecdotes similar to mine.

 

[Cman90]

Man I've been struggling with this for years. He was always more hairy and masculine looking than me.

I was like the dorky, lanky kid who couldn't grow a beard. Taking testosterone gave me a bit of body hair. But I still look kind of soft. It's hard to explain.

Makes me wonder is the AR expression like the entire body? You know like better beard = more prone to balding.

I did my prostate numbers during a cycle and they were super low...

I wonder if anyone has any anecdotes similar to mine.

Yep. My brother was always much larger than me (also much shorter) but very stocky. I was a long scrawny string bean. He could always easily beat the piss out of me. He went through puberty much younger than me and was a quite built muscular linebacker. Could also grow a beard by 16. I didn't get any facial hair until about 20, and even then not much at all.

My brother stopped taking care of him self shortly after high school and I dedicated my life to the gym.

He is now bald and overweight and my beard is much better than his since I've implemented minoxidil and good grooming practices. I also have a thick full head of hair, which was thinning noticeably until fin/dut/min.

I am now the one who is built and athletic. People ask me if I'm a football player or an athlete all the time lol. How the tables have turned.

I love the irony of life. My upbringing of being an easily picked on twig motivated me to build a life long respectable physique. Whereas my brothers natural muscular build made him take it for granted, leading him to letting himself go, to some extent.

My brother is a much better person than I am, so he definitely beats me there.

 

[bananafeet]

Yep. My brother was always much larger than me (also much shorter) but very stocky. I was a long scrawny string bean. He could always easily beat the piss out of me. He went through puberty much younger than me and was a quite built muscular linebacker. Could also grow a beard by 16. I didn't get any facial hair until about 20, and even then not much at all.

My brother stopped taking care of him self shortly after high school and I dedicated my life to the gym.

He is now bald and overweight and my beard is much better than his since I've implemented minoxidil and good grooming practices. I also have a thick full head of hair, which was thinning noticeably until fin/dut/min.

I am now the one who is built and athletic. People ask me if I'm a football player or an athlete all the time lol. How the tables have turned.

I love the irony of life. My upbringing of being an easily picked on twig motivated me to build a life long respectable physique. Whereas my brothers natural muscular build made him take it for granted, leading him to letting himself go, to some extent.

My brother is a much better person than I am, so he definitely beats me there.

The Ascension Of Man.

I love this personal anecdote.

I know I was just giving this guy a hard time for taking something "just in case". But I have a few hundred tabs of oral minoxidil at home.

Still haven't got any indication if this drug is benign or not (when ingested at low doses).

 

[Cman90]

The Ascension Of Man.

I love this personal anecdote.

I know I was just giving this guy a hard time for taking something "just in case". But I have a few hundred tabs of oral minoxidil at home.

Still haven't got any indication if this drug is benign or not (when ingested at low doses).

Definitely not benign. Lots of literature backing it up. I started it at 2.5mg and stepped it down to 1.25mg. 1.25mg is what stateside compounding manufacturers like Hims, Ro, etc. use in their oral.

Also my personal experience. The hair on my head went from noticeably thinning (people would comment on it), to the thickest it's ever been. Also, my beard is many times thicker. Probably somewhere in the range of 5-10x. I've gotten a lot of comments on how thick it's gotten.

That being said, I'm definitely a hyper responder. It is possible it's benign for you. Every one has different responses.

 

[Lokey]

Still haven't got any indication if this drug is benign or not (when ingested at low doses).

Seems to be relatively safe at low doses, the hairloss dose is like 10 times lower than when prescribed for hypertension. Possible adverse cardiac effects to watch out for though.

 

[kegg408]

Definitely not benign. Lots of literature backing it up. I started it at 2.5mg and stepped it down to 1.25mg. 1.25mg is what stateside compounding manufacturers like Hims, Ro, etc. use in their oral.

Also my personal experience. The hair on my head went from noticeably thinning (people would comment on it), to the thickest it's ever been. Also, my beard is many times thicker. Probably somewhere in the range of 5-10x. I've gotten a lot of comments on how thick it's gotten.

That being said, I'm definitely a hyper responder. It is possible it's benign for you. Every one has different responses.

Any side effects?