Janoshik Accuracy Worries Address

[The-Squat]

It also looks like it split/separated. I have a friend who told me his test e raws were stored in room temp, melted and the liquid separated, and became rancid and almost unbrewable . This is UGL raws ofc so we don't really know how fragile they are compared to pharma grade stuff and thus can't always extrapolate data and expect the same result.

Dude, Test E gets rancid FAST!

 

[The-Squat]

I thought it was only added to trenbolone raws, I end up in ladyboy bars somehow after a few weeks...

LMFAO, the ole, Tren made me gay joke!

 

[janoshik]

I would never want to harm your business, we need all the testing facilities we can, I'm in the same boat as you though and could have been ruined.

Was a lesson learned and glad you responded to these questions as you did and can be summed up as confusion, which is exactly what this is and has been, very confusing.

I'll be honest, I panicked at 1st, was a large order more than double the cost of last year. Supplier stood up with refund which cooled me down a bit.

I was just so confused of the results from raws to finished, I think we all can see more clearly on this now.

I appreciate the fact we were able to have a proper discussion on this and I can only express that I wish this had happened earlier.

On a completely side note, we're expecting delivery of our own NMR soon, so we'll be able to tell the major impurities in raws from now (with great confidence).

Cheers

 

[janoshik]

I wonder what exactly is the cause for lower purities. Whether it is unbound hormones, unbound ester? As in they did not properly bond. Or if it is something completely different like by-products of the synthesis. At least so I have a clue of what I am injecting in myself lol.

In bold u, notorious for lower purity, we were able to isolate it to unbound ester. Like the major impurity.

With GCMS we're seeing a lot of:
a) small amount of AAS with not ester (eg. leftover methenolone in methenolone enanthate)
b) random small modification of the original hormone (eg. extra double bonds, etc) - may be sythesis or degradation

 

[dinfar1337]

On a completely side note, we're expecting delivery of our own NMR soon, so we'll be able to tell the major impurities in raws from now (with great confidence).

will this be published or do we have to do it on our own as a community?

will post in readalots community testing asap to raise money if we can get a eta on nmr testing

@Sampei @Photon

 

[cousinmuscles]

I appreciate the fact we were able to have a proper discussion on this and I can only express that I wish this had happened earlier.

On a completely side note, we're expecting delivery of our own NMR soon, so we'll be able to tell the major impurities in raws from now (with great confidence).

Cheers

Will that be able to answer this question:

I wonder what exactly is the cause for lower purities. Whether it is unbound hormones, unbound ester? As in they did not properly bond. Or if it is something completely different like by-products of the synthesis. At least so I have a clue of what I am injecting in myself lol.

?

 

[cousinmuscles]

In bold u, notorious for lower purity, we were able to isolate it to unbound ester. Like the major impurity.

With GCMS we're seeing a lot of:
a) small amount of AAS with not ester (eg. leftover methenolone in methenolone enanthate)
b) random small modification of the original hormone (eg. extra double bonds, etc) - may be sythesis or degradation

Thanks.

I am grateful for this thread.

 

[Photon]

will this be published or do we have to do it on our own as a community?

will post in readalots community testing asap to raise money if we can get a eta on nmr testing

@Sampei @Photon

With NMR looks like residual solvent analysis will be in play.
Might even be worth relooking at Tren color...lol
$$

 

[janoshik]

will this be published or do we have to do it on our own as a community?

will post in readalots community testing asap to raise money if we can get a eta on nmr testing

@Sampei @Photon

It's still a couple months away, we've paid for it in Late October I think and guaranteed delivery was 9 months. We've had to get and entirely new building for it.

I just flew in from Barcelona conference on NMR. Three exhaustive days of getting myself and my NMR team educated on all that.

 

[janoshik]

With NMR looks like residual solvent analysis will be in play.
Might even be worth relooking at Tren color...lol
$$

With NMR and I'm in talks about acquiring headspace GCMS as well.
Like this very second, funnily enough.

 

[dinfar1337]

headspace GCMS as well

full upgrade for transparency huh, hope it turns out great! because these raws vendors suck!

 

[Cob]

So since we are blaming the samples not being mixed and of very small quantity what is the fix? No one wants this ti happen to them. Investments these days are very large in raws. So is there going to be a new step that requires a larger mixed sample in order for accurate testing? How does one make sure this deca situation doesnt happen again moving forward?

 

[dinfar1337]

So since we are blaming the samples not being mixed and of very small quantity what is the fix? No one wants this ti happen to them. Investments these days are very large in raws. So is there going to be a new step that requires a larger mixed sample in order for accurate testing? How does one make sure this deca situation doesnt happen again moving forward?

i thought you were using analiza now?

get out of here

 

[janoshik]

So since we are blaming the samples not being mixed and of very small quantity what is the fix? No one wants this ti happen to them. Investments these days are very large in raws. So is there going to be a new step that requires a larger mixed sample in order for accurate testing? How does one make sure this deca situation doesnt happen again moving forward?

If the samples are liquid, what I would suggest would be heating them up and stirring them thoroughly.

I wonder what @The-Squat did - if he shares, it may help others in the future.

But generally, I really don't think nandrolone decanoate of acceptable purity ought to be fully liquid.

Wish I had a perfect answer for this, but we have little experience in this regard (working with kilos of substances).

 

[PrairieSteel]

I prefer to not sniff my own farts in this regard.

Come on now, we all like to sniff our own farts from time to time. It's good to be proud of what you created!

In all seriousness, thank you for everything you do for our community Jano. I appreciate you very much!

 

[The-Squat]

If the samples are liquid, what I would suggest would be heating them up and stirring them thoroughly.

I wonder what @The-Squat did - if he shares, it may help others in the future.

But generally, I really don't think nandrolone decanoate of acceptable purity ought to be fully liquid.

Wish I had a perfect answer for this, but we have little experience in this regard (working with kilos of substances).

I used a stirring rod in one of the bags and stirred it as long as it took to look uniform. Heat would have speed it up but was in a plastic bag.

I have never received fully melted deca before in fact the current batch I have is a pure white unmelted powder.

If I had to do it different I would dump it in a large beaker, heat it on a stir plate to 140F and then send a sample, letting the beaker sit until test results come in.

 

[The-Squat]

Come on now, we all like to sniff our own farts from time to time. It's good to be proud of what you created!

In all seriousness, thank you for everything you do for our community Jano. I appreciate you very much!

Sometimes it takes a bump in the road!

 

[Avies48]

Did not wish to hijack this thread: MESO-Rx Sponsor - AASraw: GMP-Certified Steroid and Peptide API Manufacturer where the discussion took hold.




Thank you for tagging me, this discussion eluded me. This will take a couple posts, so I'll just quote the relevant posts and address them below when time permits me.

I feel standing up to public scrutiny is an important part of being a testing business.

Too bad ur a bad business man and cant accept actual competition… and then whine and cry when u get caught showing crap results and get called out on it more than once… there are owners of boards that wont even let people
Post ur trash on them any longer… and u know this… and those owners have sent great sources to other competitors due to ur trashy results

For wll the sources that hang on ur sack… thats a great business model uve created and tried to corner this market with…. Im glad more are popping up so they can start to see ur not the end all be all

 

[Cob]

If the samples are liquid, what I would suggest would be heating them up and stirring them thoroughly.

I wonder what @The-Squat did - if he shares, it may help others in the future.

But generally, I really don't think nandrolone decanoate of acceptable purity ought to be fully liquid.

Wish I had a perfect answer for this, but we have little experience in this regard (working with kilos of substances).

Ive never gotten deca melted in the spring. Fall or winter. Every time Ive ever gotten it melted was in the summer. This batch I got it wasnt fully melted. Im sure you till have the picture. It was half melted. Like a paste. It was also over 100 outside when it arrived. It wasnt surprising to me.

Regardless, with spending 10k+ these days I want to make sire the testing is accurate. This might be something you add in to your prep instructions? I dont know but one inaccurate test on a big batch sure gets scary.