Janoshik Accuracy Worries Address

[dinfar1337]

Im going to disagree with Jano being the best we have. With how expensive raws are these days Im not willing to risk tens of thousands on janos inaccurate raw testing.

so you are gonna go with someone else that reports unusable 55-70% raws as 98% instead?

why dont you just give me money and brew your steroids without any testing at all xd

 

[janoshik]

Im going to disagree with Jano being the best we have. With how expensive raws are these days Im not willing to risk tens of thousands on janos inaccurate raw testing.

Anyway, I wont be using Jano and I will never recommend him - my choice. I know to much of his history and now I have personally experienced it for myself. And believe me, he knows his history as well. Life goes on. I have better things to do then listen to his excuses and ad hominem.

Please, do report to us the great experiences with your 94%+ pure nandrolone decanoate, tested by a facility much more reputable.

I honestly can't see how anyone reasonable can believe that, so please, do excuse my sarcasm.

 

[Cob]

spot on

it should get thrown out anyway. 75% or 55% is completely unacceptable

Completely unacceptable. Thats not even considered a variance. The fact here is his testing on this specific sample was utterly embarrassing. No raw test of the same batch should ever have a 25% difference. He can say all the pretty words and numbers he wants but that wont change the massive discrepancy of this raw test. If you guys want to keep running cover then feel free. You cant ignore the results.

I will stop speaking facts now aka "trolling" .

 

[Cob]

Please, do report to us the great experiences with your 94%+ pure nandrolone decanoate, tested by a facility much more reputable.

I honestly can't see how anyone reasonable can believe that, so please, do excuse my sarcasm.

SMH.

 

[Cob]

so you are gonna go with someone else that reports unusable 55-70% raws as 98% instead?

why dont you just give me money and brew your steroids without any testing at all xd

You do realize his tests were not accurate right? You are seriously sitting here arguing for him like those two tests were accurate. Why would anyone believe any test with that much discrepancy? Are you saying that is normal? Is he paying you? Im not understanding how you even argue these results like they are legit.

 

[janoshik]

Completely unacceptable. Thats not even considered a variance. The fact here is his testing on this specific sample was utterly embarrassing. No raw test of the same batch should ever have a 25% difference. He can say all the pretty words and numbers he wants but that wont change the massive discrepancy of this raw test. If you guys want to keep running cover then feel free. You cant ignore the results.

I will stop speaking facts now aka "trolling" .

Would you, perhaps, appreciate me sending you another definition of inhomogeneous for you to study thoroughly? You know, with enough tries...

Thank god, @The-Squat sent in a sample where everyone can see it with their own eyes.

 

[Cob]

Nice try. Because I'm obviously referring to all my clients as you are trying to falsely assert.

You really go by the trolling handbook.
It must feel upsetting that people are seeing through it, right?

Maybe next time try being less obvious "where there's smoke there's a fire" and so on is just a tad more obvious.

Or trying to defend a case where you try to claim a disgusting glue-like substance is >90% pure raw. Something literally anyone with experience can see through.

Again with more ad hominem attacks. Why dont you grow up and take ownership? I cant even believe I have to say that to a "proffessional". This thread is not helping your case either way, you dont realize that? Your faithful followers might be running cover for you but the results of your raws testing have been shown and you are handling it like a child. As a business owner I know clearly how to handle mistakes that I make with customers and its not in any way like this.Tell me in what way are you winning here? Do you think this thread is a positive for you? SMH

 

[The-Squat]

Would you, perhaps, appreciate me sending you another definition of inhomogeneous for you to study thoroughly? You know, with enough tries...

Thank god, @The-Squat sent in a sample where everyone can see it with their own eyes.

I really want to stay out of this but want to ask you some quick questions and state I have shown you respect and have not been being rude, yes frustrated.

If I didn't mix my sample and he didn't it, would it cause that much a difference in results?

I didn't not mix it sending to you but I did mix it very well before AB as I was just losing my mind and wanted to make 100% sure.

So mixing it for AB would show better results?

Also brewing all of it at once rather than a little at a time would give a more true finished product dosage? Seeing it's a whole and not partial like the samples.

I'll take your answers and leave it at that, I just felt from what I'm reading they are the right questions to ask.

I have said it many times, I wish the best for you and understand growing pains.

Please stop insulting me though as I'm not attacking you, I was in a situation I have never been in before and it's amongst many people, I'm the only one that ever said anything and never insulting.

I guess we both are speaking from frustration.

 

[janoshik]

I really want to stay out of this but want to ask you some quick questions and state I have shown you respect and have not been being rude, yes frustrated.

If I didn't mix my sample and he didn't it, would it cause that much a difference in results?

I didn't not mix it sending to you but I did mix it very well before AB as I was just losing my mind and wanted to make 100% sure.

So mixing it for AB would show better results?

Yes, it it would be possible and it would explain most of the discrepancies (all of them actually, if I have not missed anything).

Also brewing all of it at once rather than a little at a time would give a more true finished product dosage? Seeing it's a whole and not partial like the samples.

Yes.

I'll take your answers and leave it at that, I just felt from what I'm reading they are the right questions to ask.

Yes, those are a great questions and you actually providing new facts (mixed / unmixed sample) actually explains everything and confirms both what you have written and I have written, in regard to hard data, as far as I can gather.

I have said it many times, I wish the best for you and understand growing pains.

Please stop insulting me though as I'm not attacking you, I was in a situation I have never been in before and it's amongst many people, I'm the only one that ever said anything and never insulting.

I guess we both are speaking from frustration.

I don't think it's growing pains.

I am quick ot admit when me or my people screw something up (despite what @Cob is trying to falsely assert with his trolling), but I reviewed this myself and I am confident in everything we've done here.

I don't think I have insulted you, but as you do understand I am frustrated.
Apologies if that seeps through my posts.

You have made some statements that were wrong ( and while not necessarily in bad faith, in the context given they could harm my business and livinghood of the people I employ and deeply appreciate ) or out of frustration and some of the statements / loaded questions you've fixed yourself.

It does not apologize my sarcasm, but I really try my best to explain the situation and work this out, despite maybe being less than strictly professional.

 

[Photon]

We do homogenize the samples before the testing, but do you think the client homogenized the source material before sampling?

How much of the actual raw being sent is used and homogenized together on average, before testing?

Let's say..I send in 10g?

 

[janoshik]

How much of the actual raw being sent is used and homogenized together on average, before testing?

Let's say..I send in 10g?

Funnily enough, raw powders are a non-issue, as any discrepancies [in crystal structure] are visible with bare eye. It's the liquid/melted compounds [that ought to have been solid to start with] that appear to be troublesome.

If you send in 10 g and the powder looks homogeneous, we'll just shake it around a little bit and then sample ~ 30 mg out of that.

 

[BigTomJ]

Im not saying Big A is a saint by any means but jano has been banned from more boards then just PM. I dont agree with anyone running cover for others mistakes. Just own it...its really not that hard to do and the results are much more positive as long as the correct action is taken to fix the mistake.

I dont even really care much aboit jano...I have no intentions towards him. I simply commented because of how he is trying to handle this issue.

big a is a sellout cuck that has never once given a single fuck about protecting the community, only protecting his bottom line.

this isn't to excuse the current issues, but the "jano has been banned on other boards" isn't valid because the boards he's been banned from and the boards that speak out against him are all shill ran source boards with zero integrity.

 

[The-Squat]

Yes, it it would be possible and it would explain most of the discrepancies (all of them actually, if I have not missed anything).


Yes.


Yes, those are a great questions and you actually providing new facts (mixed / unmixed sample) actually explains everything and confirms both what you have written and I have written, in regard to hard data, as far as I can gather.


I don't think it's growing pains.

I am quick ot admit when me or my people screw something up (despite what @Cob is trying to falsely assert with his trolling), but I reviewed this myself and I am confident in everything we've done here.

I don't think I have insulted you, but as you do understand I am frustrated.
Apologies if that seeps through my posts.

You have made some statements that were wrong ( and while not necessarily in bad faith, in the context given they could harm my business and livinghood of the people I employ and deeply appreciate ) or out of frustration and some of the statements / loaded questions you've fixed yourself.

It does not apologize my sarcasm, but I really try my best to explain the situation and work this out, despite maybe being less than strictly professional.

I would never want to harm your business, we need all the testing facilities we can, I'm in the same boat as you though and could have been ruined.

Was a lesson learned and glad you responded to these questions as you did and can be summed up as confusion, which is exactly what this is and has been, very confusing.

I'll be honest, I panicked at 1st, was a large order more than double the cost of last year. Supplier stood up with refund which cooled me down a bit.

I was just so confused of the results from raws to finished, I think we all can see more clearly on this now.

 

[Cob]

Yes, it it would be possible and it would explain most of the discrepancies (all of them actually, if I have not missed anything).


Yes.


Yes, those are a great questions and you actually providing new facts (mixed / unmixed sample) actually explains everything and confirms both what you have written and I have written, in regard to hard data, as far as I can gather.


I don't think it's growing pains.

I am quick ot admit when me or my people screw something up (despite what @Cob is trying to falsely assert with his trolling), but I reviewed this myself and I am confident in everything we've done here.

I don't think I have insulted you, but as you do understand I am frustrated.
Apologies if that seeps through my posts.

You have made some statements that were wrong ( and while not necessarily in bad faith, in the context given they could harm my business and livinghood of the people I employ and deeply appreciate ) or out of frustration and some of the statements / loaded questions you've fixed yourself.

It does not apologize my sarcasm, but I really try my best to explain the situation and work this out, despite maybe being less than strictly professional.

Pleaee explain to me what I said that was false? Am I lying about your test results? Am I lying aboht the way you are handling this? Am i lying about you getting banned from other boards? What exactly is false? Ive only claimed those 3 things. You keep attacking me with these types of comments and deflecting your flaws on to me. Im not going to just lay down and let you defame me when this is your mistake, not mine.

 

[Photon]

I didn't not mix it sending to you but I did mix it very well before AB as I was just losing my mind and wanted to make 100% sure.

So mixing it for AB would show better results?

Also brewing all of it at once rather than a little at a time would give a more true finished product dosage? Seeing it's a whole and not partial like the samples.

I don't have much to add to this deca discussion.

But in the previous discussions about getting more accurate purity %s, readalot was talking about using a vmixer to mix raws before sending for testing. Unfortunately, not a luxury most of us have..but different story for vendors. If we mix raws to ensure consistency for tabs, then does this not apply here? Tabs fillers are impurities and are our raws not impure?

A simpler idea I had was to mix something like 5-10g of raws taken from different parts of the raw in pure solvents and send that for testing, then working the purity backwards. Obviously the margin of error is higher, you might add more solvents, less raws -- whatever, but at least you sample much more product, and that gets you closer to representative of the whole batch.

 

[The-Squat]

I don't have much to add to this deca discussion.

But in the previous discussions, readalot was talking about using a vmixer to mix raws before sending for testing. Unfortunately, not a luxury most of us have..but different story for vendors. If we mix raws to ensure consistency for tabs, then does this not apply here?

A cheaper idea I had was to mix something like 5-10g of raws taken from different parts of the raw in pure solvents and send that for testing, then working the purity backwards. Obviously the margin of error is higher, you might add more solvents, less raws -- whatever, but at least you sample much more product, and that gets you closer to representative of the whole batch.

It applies to melted, EQ, Test E and Deca I believe now, never had an issue with any before but this was a different case, never had Deca fully melted on delivery and a shit ton of it.

Deca and Test E get refrigerated, EQ don't because, well it's EQ lol.

Jano has tested all my EQ tests from 94% to 98% besides 1, 1 of many was lower than 94%.

I fucked up here and took it like if it was EQ sending to him is how I'm seeing it today.

 

[cousinmuscles]

We do homogenize the samples before the testing, but do you think the client homogenized the source material before sampling?

I wonder what exactly is the cause for lower purities. Whether it is unbound hormones, unbound ester? As in they did not properly bond. Or if it is something completely different like by-products of the synthesis. At least so I have a clue of what I am injecting in myself lol.

 

[The-Squat]

I wonder what exactly is the cause for lower purities. Whether it is unbound hormones, unbound ester? As in they did not properly bond. Or if it is something completely different like by-products of the synthesis. At least so I have a clue of what I am injecting in myself lol.

Gay stuff to convert you over, sorry lol just trying to lighten things up and you just gave me a window.

 

[cousinmuscles]

It applies to melted, EQ, Test E and Deca I believe now, never had an issue with any before but this was a different case, never had Deca fully melted on delivery and a shit ton of it.

Deca and Test E get refrigerated, EQ don't because, well it's EQ lol.

Jano has tested all me EQ tests from 94% to 98% besides 1, 1 of many was lower than 94%.

I fucked up here and took it like if it was EQ sending to him is how I'm seeing it today.

It also looks like it split/separated. I have a friend who told me his test e raws were stored in room temp, melted and the liquid separated, and became rancid and almost unbrewable . This is UGL raws ofc so we don't really know how fragile they are compared to pharma grade stuff and thus can't always extrapolate data and expect the same result.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Gay stuff to convert you over, sorry lol just trying to lighten things up and you just gave me a window.

I thought it was only added to trenbolone raws, I end up in ladyboy bars somehow after a few weeks...