Is the war against ISIS a war that is needed officially?

[dper726]

Just wanting to hear your input on the matter. You see many divided on the topic with a fine line in between. But rather when this topic comes into debate isn't the clear answer that this is a war we must win? And the only way of winning it is doing what we all obviously don't want to get involved with? It might not happen with the current cabinet. But whoever replaces the throne next year, will have to make the difficult decision. Either sitting back and watch the world fall apart in the hands of ISIS which includes increase tensions within our borders and many more awaited planned catastrophic evens. Or attack the source and extinct the issue.

I don't want to side with political parties and keep this as open as possible, but I don't think the Obama campaign has done anything beneficial in supporting a war against the clear threat of ISIS, and I doubt he wants to do anything to affect his legacy in the short time he has left.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Fight them there now , or fight them here soon .
Theres no doubt ; they are coming....

 

[Xlgx]

They are already on US soil. Do we wait until they start beheading people on our streets?!?!

 

[flenser]

Bunch of teenagers running around with US supplied weapons. I doubt TPTB want ISIS destroyed. Chopping off heads on YouTube is good press for scaring Americans.

 

[dper726]

Bunch of teenagers running around with US supplied weapons. I doubt TPTB want ISIS destroyed. Chopping off heads on YouTube is good press for scaring Americans.

The videos on YouTube of the chopped off heads is the least of my worries. I'm aware there is a hidden agenda behind everything in this world, specifically politically. I'm thinking in terms of stopping the cancer before it spreads and affects multi systems. Because even what we attempt to control for personal benefits fails.

Everyone caught at Ramadi that fought against the opposing force will be slaughtered. Innocent family of those on the opposition will be slaughtered aswell. If history tells us anything this is developing at the same manner or for worse as the nazi regime. Ofcourse only worse because laws against humanity does not apply for ISIS. Not that they ever applied to hitler. Instead he decided to conceal them at the best of his ability. Not that ISIS could do so due to the age of technology.

We could say different wars but not so different.

 

[flenser]

ISIS and Nazis? You and I must read different history books. I think I'm going to sit this thread out...

 

[dper726]

ISIS and Nazis? You and I must read different history books. I think I'm going to sit this thread out...

Different books Flenser but same morals.

 

[brutus79]

WE created ISIS by lining our pockets with war money. If we had left well enough alone in the middle east we would not have created so many hatred filled groups that filled a power void created by our missiles. Saddam did a far superior job in Iraq - and here we are creating another isis breeding ground in Syria. If you murder people's family members for political and financial gain like the u.s. does you can expect the to hate you. That's just murder 101. If you remove governing bodies that have religious tolerance and replace them with puppets that have scores to settle expect what you have. The more troops, drones and missiles we send over there, the more people will die, which will create more hate/"terrorist" groups, which will then cause the "need" to send more troops drones and missiles.

Want to see beheadings? Saudi Arabia averages ten times that of isis... but they have money and oil so it's cool. Want to see terrorism and apartheid Conditions? Check out how Israel treats palestine. Check out how Australia treats their native aboriginal population. Isis is fucking nothing. They exist on the fucking news. Our police kill far more innocent people than isis

 

[Docd187123]

WE created ISIS by lining our pockets with war money. If we had left well enough alone in the middle east we would not have created so many hatred filled groups that filled a power void created by our missiles. Saddam did a far superior job in Iraq - and here we are creating another isis breeding ground in Syria. If you murder people's family members for political and financial gain like the u.s. does you can expect the to hate you. That's just murder 101. If you remove governing bodies that have religious tolerance and replace them with puppets that have scores to settle expect what you have. The more troops, drones and missiles we send over there, the more people will die, which will create more hate/"terrorist" groups, which will then cause the "need" to send more troops drones and missiles.

Want to see beheadings? Saudi Arabia averages ten times that of isis... but they have money and oil so it's cool. Want to see terrorism and apartheid Conditions? Check out how Israel treats palestine. Check out how Australia treats their native aboriginal population. Isis is fucking nothing. They exist on the fucking news. Our police kill far more innocent people than isis

Hopefully someone will listen to you.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

WE created ISIS by lining our pockets with war money.

ISIS has existed for 1400 years. It's called Islam.

If we had left well enough alone in the middle east we would not have created so many hatred filled groups that filled a power void created by our missiles.

One correction: If we had left well enough alone in the middle east we would not have UNLEASHED so many hatred filled groups that filled a power void created by our missiles. They were already there, we just set them free.

Saddam did a far superior job in Iraq

I agree with this.

If you murder people's family members for political and financial gain like the u.s. does you can expect the to hate you. That's just murder 101.

True, but the people that are doing the killing already hated the kaffirs so it's not like they needed another reason to kill them.

. If you remove governing bodies that have religious tolerance and replace them with puppets that have scores to settle expect what you have.

You mean remove secular totalitarian governments and replace them with weak elected governments that are easily exploited by Islamic religious fanatics following divine orders. If you ever find an example of religious tolerance in the Middle East, let me know.

Want to see beheadings? Saudi Arabia averages ten times that of isis... but they have money and oil so it's cool.

The Saudis have http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/19/saudi-arabia-hiring-executioners-as-beheadings-rise/ 85 people this year. Isis have beheaded, stoned or shot between 1,300 to over 2100 Civilians, including 19 women and 9 Children. And don't forget those victims who were sold into slavery by ISIS, including women and children sold as sex slaves.

Don't get me wrong, what the Saudis believe isn't much different than ISIS, but they have a monarchy to protect and care about world opinion.

Want to see terrorism and apartheid Conditions? Check out how Israel treats palestine.

Damn those Jews! How dare they not allow Hamas and Hezbollah to intentionally shell innocent civilians without defending themselves. The nerve!

Check out how Australia treats their native aboriginal population.

I don't think you'll find they're not indiscriminately killing aborigines.

Isis is fucking nothing. They exist on the fucking news. Our police kill far more innocent people than isis

You were doing pretty well until the last three points. Then you went off the rails.

 

[kawilt]

BLOWBACK...............

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

BLOWBACK...............

1400 years worth.

 

[brutus79]

ISIS has existed for 1400 years. It's called Islam.



One correction: If we had left well enough alone in the middle east we would not have UNLEASHED so many hatred filled groups that filled a power void created by our missiles. They were already there, we just set them free.




I agree with this.



True, but the people that are doing the killing already hated the kaffirs so it's not like they needed another reason to kill them.



You mean remove secular totalitarian governments and replace them with weak elected governments that are easily exploited by Islamic religious fanatics following divine orders. If you ever find an example of religious tolerance in the Middle East, let me know.



The Saudis have http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/19/saudi-arabia-hiring-executioners-as-beheadings-rise/ 85 people this year. Isis have beheaded, stoned or shot between 1,300 to over 2100 Civilians, including 19 women and 9 Children. And don't forget those victims who were sold into slavery by ISIS, including women and children sold as sex slaves.

Don't get me wrong, what the Saudis believe isn't much different than ISIS, but they have a monarchy to protect and care about world opinion.



Damn those Jews! How dare they not allow Hamas and Hezbollah to intentionally shell innocent civilians without defending themselves. The nerve!



I don't think you'll find they're not indiscriminately killing aborigines.



You were doing pretty well until the last three points. Then you went off the rails.

I was on a plane between two 300 pounders. Give me a break. Rants sometimes spiral out of control when suffering in claustrophobic settings.

 

[Docd187123]

ISIS has existed for 1400 years. It's called Islam.



One correction: If we had left well enough alone in the middle east we would not have UNLEASHED so many hatred filled groups that filled a power void created by our missiles. They were already there, we just set them free.




I agree with this.



True, but the people that are doing the killing already hated the kaffirs so it's not like they needed another reason to kill them.



You mean remove secular totalitarian governments and replace them with weak elected governments that are easily exploited by Islamic religious fanatics following divine orders. If you ever find an example of religious tolerance in the Middle East, let me know.



The Saudis have http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/19/saudi-arabia-hiring-executioners-as-beheadings-rise/ 85 people this year. Isis have beheaded, stoned or shot between 1,300 to over 2100 Civilians, including 19 women and 9 Children. And don't forget those victims who were sold into slavery by ISIS, including women and children sold as sex slaves.

Don't get me wrong, what the Saudis believe isn't much different than ISIS, but they have a monarchy to protect and care about world opinion.



Damn those Jews! How dare they not allow Hamas and Hezbollah to intentionally shell innocent civilians without defending themselves. The nerve!



I don't think you'll find they're not indiscriminately killing aborigines.



You were doing pretty well until the last three points. Then you went off the rails.

Without going through the BS we have in the past:

1) ISIS are islamics. Islamics arent necessarily ISIS. You know this I think you were exaggerating to make your point.

2) we didn't just set them free. Before 9/11 how many ppl were seriously threatened by terrorism? How many ppl even thought of terrorism before then compared to now? The difference is we went in like Brutus said. I'm not solely blaming it on us but it is a key contributing factor that cannot and should not be denied or swept under the rug.

3) example of religious tolerance in the Middle East: Lebanon. The country is about 1/2 Muslim and 1/2 Christian and a very small number of Jewish people. The people in Lebanon seem to have an pretty easy time getting along with one another or at least not killing each other.

4) I don't know the statistics but he's talking about just beheadings bc Xlgx mentioned beheadings specifically.

5) your comment about Israel protecting it's citizens I'm staying away from for obvious reasons but both sides have committed atrocities. No one's hands are completely clean.

6) again I don't know the statistics but the police do kill a significant amount of in Innocent ppl as well as guilty ppl that should never have been killed.

 

[Docd187123]

I was on a plane between two 300 pounders. Give me a break. Rants sometimes spiral out of control when suffering in claustrophobic settings.

Ahahahaha. Want a shot of tren and a gigantic burrito waiting for you when you land? Those two things always make me feel better

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I was on a plane between two 300 pounders. Give me a break. Rants sometimes spiral out of control when suffering in claustrophobic settings.

Be careful no one reads your phone. Mentioning Muslims and ISIS on a plane is likely to get you interrogated.

 

[rubisean]

If Reagan were still.president isis would be was was

 

[TheGuy85]

Animals don't cross seas to kill Americans because of our freedoms or religion or some other bullshit, if so they would just kill "disbelievers" in plenty of other countries that are much easier targets. They target the U.S. due to military occupation in the Middle East, religion is just used as a method to recruit and further push their agenda.

The rise of ISIS is a consequence of the Iraqi war, the failure of the Shiite-led Iraqi government, and support stemming from Saudi Arabia's proxy war with Syria and Iran. We destabilized the region with war and removed our troops that were securing the region. The Shiite-led, Iraqi government insisted we remove troops as planned despite any objections by Mr. Obama and they have oppressed the Sunni population and restricted them from arming themselves against enemy insurgents. The Sunni population is presented with the option to either be recruited or executed by ISIS because they have no means to fight back, that is, even if they wanted too. The United States has adequately trained the Iraqi military and continues to supply support by arming them, offering them technological assistance, air support, and assistance from our special operations. We cannot cure them of their cowardice and would arming Iraqi Sunnis be a good idea or would that end in disaster as well. Furthermore, Prince Bandar, former chief of Saudi intelligence was actively funding ISIS to fight a proxy war against Syria and Iran.

The resources given to ISIS made it into the monster it is today and gave it the capability to capture regions which it otherwise would have never been strong enough to take. Prince Bandar banked on the US taking military action in Syria after the Assad regime was accused of using chemical weapons against rebels. Instead the U.S. did not become directly involved in a war against Syria, funding to ISIS was cut off, and ISIS conveniently turned on the Saudi government. Once ISIS started capturing regions with resources it became capable of funding itself, no longer relying on outside assistance. Once ISIS came to power it established its own caliphate and issued it's own religious verdicts that demanded all Muslims must pledge allegiance to the caliphate and join them in their military endeavors. People who refused were/are enslaved, tortured, and/or executed. ISIS has gone as far as to openly declare war on Saudi Arabia and even other terrorist groups that fall under the umbrella of "Sunni extremism". ISIS has pretty much declared war against everyone except ISIS.

Prince Bandar "resigned" as chief of intelligence, presumably due to his involvement with funding ISIS against Syria and the embarrassment that followed. The rise of ISIS ironically resembles the Mujahideen, except ISIS was a Saudi project and the Mujahideen was a U.S. project.

Fuck sticking boots on the ground, stay the course and keep using special operations and drone strikes to combat ISIS. No Americans need to die in a conflict that doesn't pertain to us, and why should we expect our people to die aiding people who are too cowardly to stand and fight. Our continued occupation in the Middle East only further makes Americans targets for terrorist attacks. The only reason we have to deal with this bullshit is because of shitty foreign policy. Our government invited terrorism to our shores and is directly responsible for this "post 9/11" era.

 

[Kconan]

Judging by Reagan's response to the 1983 barracks bombing in Lebanon it is hard to predict what he would do if he were president now.

I agree with the above poster on what hasn't worked. It does appear that ISIS has pissed off the neighbors moreso than other terrorist groups, so hopefully the surrounding countries will finally do something instead of hoping the U.S. plays World Police.

 

[flenser]

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad

From the first sudden, and quite dramatic, appearance of the fanatical Islamic group known as ISIS which was largely unheard of until a year ago, on the world's stage and which promptly replaced the worn out and tired al Qaeda as the world's terrorist bogeyman, we suggested that the "straight to beheading YouTube clip" purpose behind the Saudi Arabia-funded Islamic State was a simple one: use the Jihadists as the vehicle of choice to achieve a political goal: depose of Syria's president Assad, who for years has stood in the way of a critical Qatari natural gas pipeline, one which could dethrone Russia as Europe's dominant - and belligerent - source of energy, reaching an interim climax with the unsuccessful Mediterranean Sea military build up of 2013, which nearly resulted in quasi-world war.

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