Is NPP a good first Steroid to use for a blast?

[MaxPayne09]

I started TRT 6 months ago, which helped me regain some fitness and my interest in working out regularly, a passion from 20 years ago. I've been on 125mg/week MWF. M. I've gained about 15lbs of muscle and think I've hit a plateau.
Latest blood work:y Total T=1280, Free T=400, E2=104 (but no sides) taken AI only 3 times in 6months

I'm considering a 12-16 week cycle to gain more muscle and lose some visceral fat. Should I increase Testosterone to 200-300mg/week or try a Test+NPP cycle? I got the idea for NPP from Grok LLM tbh and have been researching it. I'd appreciate advice from experienced folks for a beginner like me.
what should a good first cylce be? I am going to optimize my workouts and diet before I start.

 

[BabaJagga]

bump the test up to 500mg and use ai for estrogen. simple, cheap, effective, essy to
manage. happy, horny, hungry. you will grow like weed.

 

[adrenalytic]

I started TRT 6 months ago, which helped me regain some fitness and my interest in working out regularly, a passion from 20 years ago. I've been on 125mg/week MWF. M. I've gained about 15lbs of muscle and think I've hit a plateau.
Latest blood work:y Total T=1280, Free T=400, E2=104 (but no sides) taken AI only 3 times in 6months

I'm considering a 12-16 week cycle to gain more muscle and lose some visceral fat. Should I increase Testosterone to 200-300mg/week or try a Test+NPP cycle? I got the idea for NPP from Grok LLM tbh and have been researching it. I'd appreciate advice from experienced folks for a beginner like me.
what should a good first cylce be? I am going to optimize my workouts and diet before I start.

That's a pretty high E2 for such a low dose of T. How fat are you? I'd focus on that before anything else. You shouldn't need an AI on 125mg test. You're going to be a water buffalo if you let it go unchecked.

 

[MaxPayne09]

205lbs - 23-25% bf so not overly fat. I have been scratching my head with that high E2 and lack of symptoms. I was on 750IU HCG MWF which does cause high E2 from my understanding but again 100+ is baffling

 

[BabaJagga]

205lbs - 23-25% bf so not overly fat. I have been scratching my head with that high E2 and lack of symptoms. I was on 750IU HCG MWF which does cause high E2 from my understanding but again 100+ is baffling

yea, cut down before blast mate. no point in tryin to add muscle and blasting rn.
ive made mistake to try that and i ended up even fatter and needed very aggresive cut.

you will respond better to food and anabolic load when leaner. you dont need to go down to single digit bf% but be as lean as possible.

 

[Astartes]

While high for the total T it is not at all uncommon not to be symptomatic. This also could very well be a peak measurement of your E2.

I would say this is a great example of how guys end up jacking themselves up on AIs. I don’t do AIs even at over 3k total mg of compounds. I handle it well.

Regardless you are risking health. Don’t over complicate and over think it. Guys do this by playing yoyo with their estrogen and PEDs.

Us old guys have been at it a long time for a reason.

We are all a bit OCD.

This trait plays against us and we have to temper ourselves a bit. Remember that just because it is sound on paper doesn’t mean it will translate to your physiology in practice

 

[adrenalytic]

205lbs - 23-25% bf so not overly fat. I have been scratching my head with that high E2 and lack of symptoms. I was on 750IU HCG MWF which does cause high E2 from my understanding but again 100+ is baffling

Pics would help. People usually get their BF estimate wrong in either direction. But if you truly are 23-25, that is obese. Get down to 10-12 and we can talk blasting.

 

[ETliens]

My first cycle was 360 test and 200 deca at about 23% body fat. E2 got into the mid 60s. I felt fine but got pretty bad acne. If I could do it over again I would have used Reta to cut down into the teens body fat wise and then titrated test up every 5ish weeks from 200 until 500-600.

 

[ackmack78]

205lbs - 23-25% bf so not overly fat. I have been scratching my head with that high E2 and lack of symptoms. I was on 750IU HCG MWF which does cause high E2 from my understanding but again 100+ is baffling

23-25% you might as well be obese around here.

 

[xrayphoton13]

205lbs - 23-25% bf so not overly fat. I have been scratching my head with that high E2 and lack of symptoms. I was on 750IU HCG MWF which does cause high E2 from my understanding but again 100+ is baffling

Why such a high dose of HCG? Or are you saying 750iu total for the entire week? 250iu 3x per week would be standard for maintaining fertility. 500iu 3x per week is what I used to get my wife pregnant

 

[xrayphoton13]

Oh and first cycle is always testosterone only. Only change one variable at a time so you know how things feel.

 

[Elektrobot]

205lbs - 23-25% bf so not overly fat. I have been scratching my head with that high E2 and lack of symptoms. I was on 750IU HCG MWF which does cause high E2 from my understanding but again 100+ is baffling

Whats you SHBG?

 

[Catteni]

While high for the total T it is not at all uncommon not to be symptomatic. This also could very well be a peak measurement of your E2.

I would say this is a great example of how guys end up jacking themselves up on AIs. I don’t do AIs even at over 3k total mg of compounds. I handle it well.

Regardless you are risking health. Don’t over complicate and over think it. Guys do this by playing yoyo with their estrogen and PEDs.

Us old guys have been at it a long time for a reason.

We are all a bit OCD.

This trait plays against us and we have to temper ourselves a bit. Remember that just because it is sound on paper doesn’t mean it will translate to your physiology in practice

Agreed too much AI.

Treat the symptoms not the #’s. Probably peak like he said.

 

[MaxPayne09]

Whats you SHBG?

18

 

[MaxPayne09]

Agreed too much AI.

Treat the symptoms not the #’s. Probably peak like he said.

I am confused by the "too much AI" comment. I have only taken 12.5mg 3 times so far in 6 months, and twice was early on as I was getting dialed in on TRT. What am I missing?

 

[MaxPayne09]

Why such a high dose of HCG? Or are you saying 750iu total for the entire week? 250iu 3x per week would be standard for maintaining fertility. 500iu 3x per week is what I used to get my wife pregnant

750IU for entire week, split over MWF dose of 250IU

 

[Sera]

I think your e2 is way too high even if you say you have no symptoms.

I’d probably try getting dialled in without hCG first, as that is a wild card when it comes to estradiol. (It can raise it dramatically).

 

[Dafty]

NPP is the best steroid. The only downside to it is max concentration is 200mg/ml

Otherwise it's the best steroid by a country mile

 

[xrayphoton13]

NPP is the best steroid. The only downside to it is max concentration is 200mg/ml

Otherwise it's the best steroid by a country mile

200mg/ml in mct only? I've only seen it in pure MCT up to 150mg/ml. I've seen it in castor @ 200mg/ml. If it's a Chinese ugl a lot of them are using EO these days which I'm not a huge fan of but it can hold higher concentrations

NPP is good and many people prefer it to deca saying they feel completely different but I can't tell a difference. I'd rather use deca since you can brew it @400mg/ml and less injections and frequency makes me happy. But nandrolone being the best steroids is highly debatable. It can cause a lot of side effects that aren't tolerable to many people