Is Meso Losing Its Edge?

[bananafeet]

The issue with AI is it's like talking to a yes man. It just leads you in circles.

I've noticed people have been just copy my reply into ChatGPT to argue with me. I might as well talk to myself.

ChatGPT seems to really appeal to the midwit.

 

[The Answ3r]

So, I finally heard back from the Admin. Long story short, he is standing his ground. He gave me a lecture on the forum mission and protecting the right to complain, claiming my posts in the QSC thread were suppressing feedback. Apparently, I am being sidelined for pointing out common sense.

But reading his response, it is pretty obvious he did not even bother to read mine. The whole thing felt like a sterile, AI generated script. It is the kind of robotic, pre packaged reply you get when someone does not want to have a real conversation. He just hit a button and let a prompt do the talking.

The reality is that free speech here is a one-way street. When moderation turns into an automated script, nuance and facts don't matter anymore. It is just about following a program.

I am not going anywhere, but I will be sitting on the sidelines until April when I get my access back to the Steroid Underground. It is a shame to see a place like this run on autopilot.

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

So, I finally heard back from the Admin. Long story short, he is standing his ground. He gave me a lecture on the forum mission and protecting the right to complain, claiming my posts in the QSC thread were suppressing feedback. Apparently, I am being sidelined for pointing out common sense.

But reading his response, it is pretty obvious he did not even bother to read mine. The whole thing felt like a sterile, AI generated script. It is the kind of robotic, pre packaged reply you get when someone does not want to have a real conversation. He just hit a button and let a prompt do the talking.

I was under the impression that you wanted to have a private conversation not merely performative engagement. So i will make my private message to you public:

"Some things are non-negotiable. MESO-Rx's entire raison d'etre is to protect members' freedom to criticize, complain, and report source problems and misbehavior without fear of censorship or suppression.

"Stopping, suppressing or discouraging customers from doing this, whether intentionally or unintentionally, is not allowed and cracking down on this is fundamental to holding sources accountable.

"The QSC thread has a long history and persistent pattern of suppressing member complaints and overt pro source advocacy.

"I am hoping time will allow you to reevaluate the moderation action accordingly and in the immediate context in which it occurred as well as the context of the qsc thread"

 

[nullandvoid]

Who does this sound like? Any takers?

 

[5ninegymcel]

I’m gonna say this straight. What the hell is happening to this forum?

Moderation used to be about stopping scams and obvious nonsense. Now it feels like walking through a kindergarten with a whistle. “Don’t discuss this here.” “Don’t say that.” And now I’m being told I can’t post in the Q thread until April because I called an idiot an idiot? On a steroid forum?

This is a board built around testosterone, iron, risk, and grown men making grown decisions. Not a book club for feelings management. Since when did this place turn into HR at a corporate office?

Is this the GLP-1 era? Did appetite suppression somehow suppress everyone’s backbone too? It honestly feels like the edges are getting sanded down to make everything safe and controlled. And the more “controlled” it gets, the more lifeless it feels.

People wonder why the forum is quieter. Why the heavy hitters don’t post anymore. Why the guys with actual experience stopped sharing. Maybe because the environment shifted from blunt and honest to tiptoe and sanitize. A lot of the dudes who actually brought value just disappeared. And that’s not random.

You can modernize a platform without neutering it. Progress doesn’t have to mean sterilizing personality and shutting down straight talk. Right now it feels like overcorrection.

At this rate, it’s not trolls killing the forum. It’s death by soft moderation and slow culture shift. And yeah, that’s frustrating to watch.

had a dude on here saying ghk fucking cu is gonna be cardiprotective on cycle like no the fuck it is not are we serious?

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

Again, I just want to clarify that the current moderation action is specifically about protecting the ability of all members, new and old, to report source-related problems e.g. scams, shipping issues, or other misconduct without being ridiculed, insulted, discouraged from speaking up. It is imperative that MESO-Rx does not create a chilling effect that stops people from reporting sources. That's all the moderation action was about.

However, there are a lot of broader grievances that aren't really about this but still worth discussing. The biggest one I hear is about the teenage lookmaxxers

Ah yes, ban/supress the vets but open the floodgates for the teen retardmaxxers

This here is a prime example of what your knowledgeable members are dealing with meanwhile the guy (Laurcv) still banter's on without regard.

I only started posting recently, but have been lurking for years. This is the issue that I have noticed most. It makes me not want to participate as much when every other thread has some 14 year old telling everyone to use test prop and throwing unhinged kindergarten meltdowns about "boomers" and DHT in broken text speak.

I just report the kiddies and fools trying to find sources in the other forums. Engaging the folks most seem to have issue with is a waste of time, and given the info they are inevitable asking about is already floating around, I don't see the reason folks continue to reply under the guise of 'harm reduction'.

Popularity is up, and things are far less 'taboo' anymore, so there's going to be a lot of it, but ignore/report and move on is the only way forward IMO.

As far as how members engage with them, I agree that behaving rudely is uncalled for. However, I think it would be best for the forum's health if members simply did not engage with them at all, and if staff here would take steps to silence such noise by deleting low quality threads and/or banning obvious "looksmaxxers."

Of course, it's your forum, but I think that if you do not take steps to minimize this kind of noise, you may find that members who can make meaningful contributions are pushed away, and that your forum ends up looking more like a Clavicular TikTok comment section.

I dont know.. I see a lot of kiddies get their posts deleted. I know because I usually make fun of them in my passive aggressive way, and soon my post disappeared because the idiotic thread got removed. So it seems to me they are indeed moderating.

I've had the same experience. It is true that extremely low quality threads or threads in which the poster has admitted that he is underage are deleted quickly. However, I find that the moderating is not going far enough. I've seen quite a few instances in which very young, extremely uneducated, highly disagreeable users are allowed to continue to effectively troll the forum indefinitely without repercussion even after it's become very clear that they are both unable and unwilling to contribute anything of value.

I agree with you that these are growing pains, but I also think the forum is at a crossroads. It is probably tempting to want to grow the user base by allowing the maxxers in, but it will fundamentally change the forum for the worse in the long term.

Important note. The appearance of teenagers is a moderation problem and shouldn't be a community problem. The reason: Minors are not allowed to participate on the forum.

Their accounts are banned. Their threads are deleted.

No engagement is required by the community for the very reasons you guys mentioned above. The only thing we ask is that your click the "report" link to alert us if you come across a minor participating.

This year alone we've been quite busy tackling this problem. We have deleted over 750+ new accounts and 1000s of posts related to these accounts in violation of this policy .

I am happy to hear that a few of you have noticed.

We've implemented ways to minimize but it is an ongoing issue that still requires substantial attention.

I will address more of your grievances as time permits.

 

[bananafeet]

I reckon this isn't a mesorx problem. It's a society problem...

Met a young fella (25) and he asked me if I was still on trt. Anyway the conversation progressed and he told me almost everyone he knows is on gear.

The gyms here get spammed with young dudes. I've had co-workers ask me about peptides. Most people know what "reta" is. Random mums using UGL peptides and "glow" stacks.

I think the market is huge at the moment. Probably worse state side.

It's not a niche community anymore

 

[nullandvoid]

Had a guy pester me to help him get Tirz, and all he's done is just use it without making any lifestyle changes. Drinks himself stupid every night. Eats terribly. Doesn't get enough protein. "I eat keto sometimes" is something he'd say, as if part-time keto was even a thing and somehow magically inflated all protein. We got him a set of labs with some really bad markers.. lipids, hs-CRP... and he just ignored all of it. Model for heart disease. Fine. I cut ties with him. Some people can't be helped, and that's unfortunately (I believe) the majority of how people use these types of compounds. What a waste. It can genuinely assist making true, lasting changes, and people just piss it away.