Is Meso Losing Its Edge?

[dinfar1337]

Only the original poster(even if new member with 2 posts 0iq) gets to raise vendor issues without any pushback, but veteran members aren't allowed to question, challenge, or even call out what looks like utter bullshit? Even if that "questioning" gets labeled as belittling?

Wasn't meso build on the idea of members control the sources through open discusscion? transparency, and calling shit out like it is?

is your goal harm reduction or running a kindergarten? because that is the concern of me and many members as you can see... or not

For transparency, here’s the exact post that earned me a timeout in Steroid Underground until April. Anyone can read it and decide for themselves whether it was actual harassment… or just forum banter that landed a little too hard.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'
https://thinksteroids.com/community...and-australia-domestic.134407154/post-3718953

@MESO-Rx Administrator please take a look at this

april? no posts in that thread until april? do you really think thats a deserved punishment? the guy has literally done nothing but answer a question with a funny but not personal remark

i really dont think thats a way to run a forum

 

[dinfar1337]

take @Bandern @DoubleDeez for example, they are a couple and they got banned for using "alts" when one them is posting in woman threads about woman bloodwork and the other is posting pictures of himself and his bodybuilding progress. both me and them tried to contact meso about and we're completely ignored by the mods

also can you please take a look at their bans

also @sionnach

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

veteran members aren't allowed to question, challenge, or even call out

Yes, they are very much encouraged to do so.

Even if that "questioning" gets labeled as belittling?

MESO does not label questioning as belittling.

I hope more members make a good faith effort to understand the difference between the two.

Wasn't meso build on the idea of members control the sources through open discusscion? transparency, and calling shit out like it is?

Yes. But the forum has struggled with this Source threads have long been buried by off topic discussions that effectively suppress source accountability. Furthermore, MESO has been a hostile environment for many members seeking to criticize sources and report negative experiences with products and services.

I don't think this a big secret and, as you can see from my messages, I hope the community can come together and lean into member harm reduction and source accountability.

your goal harm reduction or running a kindergarten? because that is the concern of me and many members as you can see... or not

It seems more a kindergarten with the hundreds of (literal) children that we've banned this year.

we're not very interested in the punishme

I hope not. I would like everyone to work together towards understanding and applying real harm reduction principles.

 

[BendigoShafter]

Subject: Suppressing criticism in QSC thread and otherwise protecting sources

Hi BendigoShafter,

I’m reaching out regarding your recent posts in the QSC thread.

Comments such as dismissing a member based on having “joined 35 minutes ago,” referring to their complaint as “pathetic mewling,” and stating that “if you behaved this way… you would be slapped” move the discussion away from evaluating the source’s conduct and toward intimidation and dominance signaling.

Physical intimidation rhetoric and derisive framing are strong deterrents to open reporting. When accountability discussions turn into social punishment rituals, members with legitimate concerns become less likely to speak up. That dynamic undermines MESO-Rx’s harm reduction mission, which depends on transparency and the ability to question sources without fear of humiliation.

Challenging claims is appropriate. Attacking or intimidating the person raising the claim is not. Going forward, you are expected to address substance without belittling or threatening language.

Continued behavior of this nature may result in thread-level or subforum restrictions.

If you’d like clarification, feel free to reply.

MESO

As I said in my DM reply, I do not begrudge admin actions taken on a private forum. Your ball, your rules, and I'll play by them while we're here.

However, I think my message was the very epitome of harm reduction:

"If you are sober, take a second and read over your pathetic mewling from the last couple hours. If you behaved this way in a group of real people, you would be slapped. Don't be this person.

"If you aren't sober, go away until you are and apologize when you come back."

It's blunt but useful advice to someone who is acting unhinged and possibly under the influence. There was no threat of slapping, just a statement that words and behavior have consequences and a plea to be a better person. I would challenge any reasonable adult to read the multi-quotes and not characterize it as mewling.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Tuesday at 11:41 PM

Hey is it true Tracy has just scammed her whole telegram group ? I've sent her a substantial amount and have not had any response or tracking number at all.

@tracyfromqsc you were online 4 hours ago, but you won't get on telegram and provide your customers. Any response or tracking numbers ??????

There's about 100 people waiting... Not a good look for him or her.

99% of vendors always do the right thing, then there's Tracy who likes to scam people. Why ????

I'm still waiting for Aus tracking , what courier do they use ???

Im patient...

• BendigoShafter

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[dinfar1337]

Yes. But the forum has struggled with this Source threads have long been buried by off topic discussions that effectively suppress source accountability. Furthermore, MESO has been a hostile environment for many members seeking to criticize sources and report negative experiences with products and services.

I don't think this a big secret and, as you can see from my messages, I hope the community can come together and lean into member harm reduction and source accountability.

well i think you're creating a opposite environment now.

members are afraid to post because they will get banned.

take me for example. all the source threads im posting in is pure monetary or i've been tagged in there or know the vendor.

the control is doing more harm than good, and discouraging members from being transparent and posting their honest thoughts in source threads. thats a obvious issue i think everyone is complaining about in here.

the result is thus losing my contribution and many other valueable members contribution and outright some of the biggest contributers on this forum dosnt even post or post very little now or have left the forum altogether.

although all we want is a free forum where we can all contribute

 

[Vito6666]

Private messages were sent to each of your privately. We can do this publicly if you prefer.

Tautology doing the heavy lifting here

 

[PrairieSteel]

I was recently relentlessly flamed for asking for a telegram phone number, not realizing a username can be used instead. I'm new to telegram. Any other vendors I have dealt with have been through email, signal or WhatsApp. I realized my mistake after the fact (thanks to no one on this forum). Pretty simple and innocent question.

Im talking pages of personal attacks, some from people in this thread. The assumptions some people made were wild.

This forum is better served by a community of members who are capable of engaging in a respectful dialog, even if they disagree with something.

Sometimes a spanking is due, I 100% agree. However, what I have noticed in my time here so far is that many rush to judgement without bothering to gather the facts or challenge their own assumptions.

Your post count is not a social license to burn others to the ground over your perception of a question. If we are truly interested in harm reduction we should be encouraging questions, not seeking every possible opportunity to troll or be the class clown. Furthermore, the option to not reply to a question that aggrevates you is always on the table.

I personally see no issue with wanting to maintain a forum that is not akin to elementary recess at the monkey bars.

 

[The Answ3r]

first of all thats fucking hilarious. second of all, a 6-8 week timeout is insane.

is this your first timeout for something like this? if its like a weeky thing i guess i could see amod getting fed up but firsttime is just way too harsh imo

Yeah, first one.

That’s why it feels strange. If I had a pattern of derailing threads, I’d get it. But this wasn’t that.

And let’s be honest, the QSC thread is basically a spam pit at this point. Q doesn’t even have access to his main account, and while he created a new profile, he still doesn’t have control over the original one. Millard hasn’t restored it, so there’s no real vendor interaction happening there.

So catching a restriction for tone inside what’s essentially a spam thread feels a bit over the top. Maybe there’s more going on behind the scenes, but from the outside it just looks inconsistent.

 

[Mfras]

I got a mod DM from the qsc thread- tracy had just announced on telegram that bitcoin was no longer an option, even with their 10% stable upcharge.

My post was kind of neutral in tone- expressing disappointment that now I had to navigate new crypto methods- I didn’t expect to get helpful responses about how to proceed but the responses were actually super helpful, especially in light of the fact (which I was not aware of!) that using the wrong network that’s incompatible with QSC could actually send stablecoin to unretreavable nowhere and Tracy wouldn’t get it.

After reading the mod’s note I decided it was a courtesy DM indicating that my post belonged in the Crypto sub, and notifying me of it being moved in the interest of housekeeping. There were no threats of bans or punishment. It was still confusing though because it seemed like it spawned a super helpful page or so of info in that about how to have positive interaction with that specific vendor.

I’ve been here lurking for a while, and posting just long enough to see some of the OGs seem to move on, but I’m not new to online forums and this is still a good one. While I do participate in nonsense and comic relief I also try to give back and share information when I actually have experience.

Fingers crossed that turnover is a natural thing and this place doesn’t get dragged down by an influx of the wrong kind of people to perpetuate healthy and enjoyable discourse.

 

[Billbo98]

I was recently relentlessly flamed for asking for a telegram phone number, not realizing a username can be used instead. I'm new to telegram. Any other vendors I have dealt with have been through email, signal or WhatsApp. I realized my mistake after the fact (thanks to no one on this forum). Pretty simple and innocent question.

Im talking pages of personal attacks, some from people in this thread. The assumptions some people made were wild.

This forum is better served by a community of members who are capable of engaging in a respectful dialog, even if they disagree with something.

Sometimes a spanking is due, I 100% agree. However, what I have noticed in my time here so far is that many rush to judgement without bothering to gather the facts or challenge their own assumptions.

Your post count is not a social license to burn others to the ground over your perception of a question. If we are truly interested in harm reduction we should be encouraging questions, not seeking every possible opportunity to troll or be the class clown. Furthermore, the option to not reply to a question that aggrevates you is always on the table.

I personally see no issue with wanting to maintain a forum that is not akin to elementary recess at the monkey bars.

Damn so YOU called the MESO PD! Snitches get stitches gabagool.

Real talk though if you were flamed that hard it’s prob for good reason

 

[Duraclear]

At the same time, your point is well taken about new and inexperienced members with repetitive and basic questions. This may be an annoyance to some but they deserve some form of assistance in any forum that calls itself a harm reduction forum.

This doesn't mean spoonfeeding. Spoonfeeding is the opposite of the harm reduction objectives here. But we need to teach these new members to critically evaluate the information available on this forum for themselves.

This requires a lot of work. No one is under any obligation to help them. That is fair. But neither should anyone engage them in a manner inconsistent with the basic principles of harm reduction.

I truly say this with respect, but this is not why I participate in this forum. I'd welcome you to look through my post history so you can see that I am very much on board with the concept of harm reduction. However, I am not interested in seeing the same extremely basic questions over and over from very young (and probably often underage) people with pseudo-scientific ideas and bizarre agendas who quite often respond rudely and obstinately to genuine advice and/or attempts to help.

I submit that what you're describing is the very definition of spoonfeeding. Not only is such information often readily available on any number of platforms with a little research, but based on my observations of their behavior, I also submit that such people have no interest in learning to critically evaluate anything. Instead, they seem more interested in telling all the "boomers" that they're doing it wrong in the very same breath that they ask said "boomers" for help. "Deserve" is a strong word, and I don't at all agree that such people deserve assistance.

As far as how members engage with them, I agree that behaving rudely is uncalled for. However, I think it would be best for the forum's health if members simply did not engage with them at all, and if staff here would take steps to silence such noise by deleting low quality threads and/or banning obvious "looksmaxxers."

Of course, it's your forum, but I think that if you do not take steps to minimize this kind of noise, you may find that members who can make meaningful contributions are pushed away, and that your forum ends up looking more like a Clavicular TikTok comment section.

Again, I say all of this with respect and in a constructive spirit as a new member. Thank you for all of your good work.

 

[bananafeet]

I was recently relentlessly flamed for asking for a telegram phone number, not realizing a username can be used instead. I'm new to telegram. Any other vendors I have dealt with have been through email, signal or WhatsApp. I realized my mistake after the fact (thanks to no one on this forum). Pretty simple and innocent question.

Im talking pages of personal attacks, some from people in this thread. The assumptions some people made were wild.

This forum is better served by a community of members who are capable of engaging in a respectful dialog, even if they disagree with something.

Sometimes a spanking is due, I 100% agree. However, what I have noticed in my time here so far is that many rush to judgement without bothering to gather the facts or challenge their own assumptions.

Your post count is not a social license to burn others to the ground over your perception of a question. If we are truly interested in harm reduction we should be encouraging questions, not seeking every possible opportunity to troll or be the class clown. Furthermore, the option to not reply to a question that aggrevates you is always on the table.

I personally see no issue with wanting to maintain a forum that is not akin to elementary recess at the monkey bars.

This bloke.

Just let it go Mr Engineer.

 

[bananafeet]

I truly say this with respect, but this is not why I participate in this forum. I'd welcome you to look through my post history so you can see that I am very much on board with the concept of harm reduction. However, I am not interested in seeing the same extremely basic questions over and over from very young (and probably often underage) people with pseudo-scientific ideas and bizarre agendas who quite often respond rudely and obstinately to genuine advice and/or attempts to help.

I submit that what you're describing is the very definition of spoonfeeding. Not only is such information often readily available on any number of platforms with a little research, but based on my observations of their behavior, I also submit that such people have no interest in learning to critically evaluate anything. Instead, they seem more interested in telling all the "boomers" that they're doing it wrong in the very same breath that they ask said "boomers" for help. "Deserve" is a strong word, and I don't at all agree that such people deserve assistance.

As far as how members engage with them, I agree that behaving rudely is uncalled for. However, I think it would be best for the forum's health if members simply did not engage with them at all, and if staff here would take steps to silence such noise by deleting low quality threads and/or banning obvious "looksmaxxers."

Of course, it's your forum, but I think that if you do not take steps to minimize this kind of noise, you may find that members who can make meaningful contributions are pushed away, and that your forum ends up looking more like a Clavicular TikTok comment section.

Again, I say all of this with respect and in a constructive spirit as a new member. Thank you for all of your good work.

I remember that entire thread of some looksmaxxers asking for advice on using testosterone propionate then not liking the advice and calling everyone gymcels.

Anything they don't like is labeled as cope or boomer. Anyway...

 

[urmumsurdad30]

Ah yes, ban/supress the vets but open the floodgates for the teen retardmaxxers

 

[bananafeet]

Ah yes, ban/supress the vets but open the floodgates for the teen retardmaxxers

And the engineers!!

 

[craigdt]

Well fuck, all this talk about time outs for off-topic posts in the vendor section has me nervous about posting titties, even when I have the green light from the vendor.

That aside, I can't imagine how hard it is to try to moderate a forum like this. Baby sitting literal children, and dudes blasting gear, all in the same room, while trying to keep some semblance of positive cash flow (I would assume)

 

[Elektrobot]

I’ve had some vets slide in my dms and give me advice

I've got tree fiddy that says it was koreanguy

 

[PrairieSteel]

This bloke.

Just let it go Mr Engineer.

Some things just sail right over your head, clearly.

 

[Billbo98]

Some things just sail right over your head, clearly.

https://cdn.memegenerator.es/descargar/7725914

 

[VStar]

What if..MESO isn't losing it's edge.

But...







You are?