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Is it the same to train with roids?
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No, you didn't.
You can't gain muscle on 1500 calories. You need a surplus over bmr of 3500 to gain 1lb per week and that won't even be 100% muscle..
What you DID do is strip the 30lbs of fat off of the muscle you had under there, making you look more defined and muscular... Which is commendable btw..
Also agree that you don't have to do the traditional bulk and cut... You can lean bulk, but you'll still put on fat, although the rate of gain can be controlled through your calorie intake...
Either style requires a caloric surplus to gain though...
-vegeta-
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thats absolutely stupid. muscle can be built with sufficient protein and fat intake on a caloric defecit. what you said is absolutely bro science.
fat can be burned and muscle built at the same time.
On a small intake deficit (you hit limits for what your body can make up for in a day quickly).
You have to have the body fat reserves to make up for that intake deficit so that overall between your intake and lipolysis you have the energy surplus for tissue synthesis.
If the sum of your intake and lipolysis is less than your BMR you will NOT gain.
Again, this is not useful to small guys. In fact, telling them about it always leads them to the same place, not eating enough to gain.
As @grey said..
You may have grown a minimal amount of muscle in that 4 months , but your body was in fat burning /loss mode on a caloric deficit... Had you just been focusing on building muscle and eating enough to support it you would have gained way more..
You can do both, agreed,... To a minimal, almost negligible extent.. That's unfortunately a "bro science" belief, my friend...
That's why a major goal of most people when cutting, is to PRESERVE muscle and make sure they don't lose too much of it, due to the caloric deficit required to burn fat...
I bet you thought you could just "turn all your fat into muscle" too huh?
lol
-vegeta-
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oh I agree I couldve gained more eating more... just going against your notion that I didnt both gain muscle and lose fatAs @grey said..
You may have grown a minimal amount of muscle in that 4 months , but your body was in fat burning /loss mode on a caloric deficit... Had you just been focusing on building muscle and eating enough to support it you would have gained way more..
You can do both, agreed,... To a minimal, almost negligible extent.. That's unfortunately a "bro science" belief, my friend...
That's why a major goal of most people when cutting, is to PRESERVE muscle and make sure they don't lose too much of it, due to the caloric deficit required to burn fat...
I bet you thought you could just "turn all your fat into muscle" too huh?
I don't dispute that at all. Guys with the body fat to burn up can do this (within limits).
"Hardgainer" posters just tend to latch onto this as one more reason that their lack of gains isn't their diet is all.
Leandro155
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So but doesn't bein on a cycle prevents you from losing muscles even at deficit?
Anyways I woke up feeling very tired this morning I dont like Ai's too much
because I feel like crap whenever I take them especially Letro.
Today I ate a lot but man I feel very bad about it cause I didn't trained that
hard to justifys this I get fat pretty easy but I'm not too fat but is just that
I was never able to get pretty lean as most of you guys.
Is not good what what I'm just doing fellas it feels really horrible I'm
a pretty tall guy but also I don't lok as ol as I should I loosk like
a preteenagesr and I'm 25 been 6 years training with poor results fellas.
Anyways I woke up feeling very tired this morning I dont like Ai's too much
because I feel like crap whenever I take them especially Letro.
Today I ate a lot but man I feel very bad about it cause I didn't trained that
hard to justifys this I get fat pretty easy but I'm not too fat but is just that
I was never able to get pretty lean as most of you guys.
Is not good what what I'm just doing fellas it feels really horrible I'm
a pretty tall guy but also I don't lok as ol as I should I loosk like
a preteenagesr and I'm 25 been 6 years training with poor results fellas.
rated_rko
Member
When on I would push 50 times harder to break thru plateau and add in more calories
Switcher
Member
Read what Grey is saying. Ignore stuff that disagrees with his statements.
Leandro155
New Member
So I just go and bulk?
If you are at a total deficit, meaning both your intake and lypolysis combined are lower than you BMR plus expended calorie count then NO.
Your body will not spare muscle tissue at the expense of organ repair etc.
One step at a time man. Change one factor at a time and don't change anything else until that change has become habit.
Examples:
Keep your current training regimen, whatever it is...but add in a careful food diary for a month. Note any changes either positive or negative.
Once the food diary is a habit, maybe move to change your dietary intake by 250 cal/day... do that for a month or however long it takes for the new intake level to become a norm...
At that point perhaps a programming/training change if needed...
Lather, rinse, repeat. Trying to shift too many things at once ensures that few if any of those changes become ingrained as lifestyle habits.
